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Post by andrew on Nov 24, 2004 17:01:15 GMT -5
Hi,
Just doing some research of my family (mother's side) and found out that they are from a village in Zhongshan. Anyone know about a village in Zhongshan, Guangdong, China called "Kai Kok"? I've tried searching the internet and found other variations of the village called "Kai Kow" and also possibly "Xi Jiao." Can anyone tell me about this village? What is the village's official name? Does it still exist? Where is it exactly in Zhongshan? My family (mother's side LOW / LIU) is from this village.
Thanks.
Andrew
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Post by Woodson on Dec 1, 2004 0:18:19 GMT -5
Hi Andrew,
I take it "kai" means brook. Can't find it on my copy of the map of Guangdong. It may be on the map of Zhongshan. Will keep my eyes open for such a map. If you could post the Chinese characters it would be of great help.
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Post by Raymond on May 6, 2005 9:11:35 GMT -5
Andrew,
Kai Kok is the name of a village located in Lung Doo District of Zhongshan County in Guangdong Province, PRC. Lung Doo District is located in the middle portion of Zhongshan County. There are 54 villages in Lung Doo District, and Kai Kok is one of them.
Hope this information helps.
Raymond
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Post by Bets on Jan 26, 2007 3:01:31 GMT -5
Hello, I just joined this site to answer your post because both of my parents are from Kai Kok, Long Du, Guangdong. It still exists because I visited it twice with my parents a decade ago. I don't know the location, but its still thriving, as is the Long Du dialect. My mother tells me there are about 3000 residents, but her statistics may be dated. If you happen to live in Sydney, Honolulu, or San Francisco, there are huge groups of immigrants from Long Du in these three areas and you can probably inquire at the local benevolent associations. The San Francisco one is called Tung Sen Benevolent Association, and their (work-in-progress) website is tungsen.org/default.aspx . There's an address under "Contact us." Hope this helps, and good luck. |
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Post by Bets on Jan 29, 2007 19:29:26 GMT -5
Oh wait, apparently Kai Kok consists of a bunch of villages. The 3000 residents thing applies only to one village within Kai Kok called "Long Sy" (spelled phonetically--I don't know pinyin). So, in my case, it'd be Long Sy, Kai Kok, Long Du, Zhongsan, Guangdong. Quite a mouthful.
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Post by raymond on Jan 30, 2007 2:25:37 GMT -5
Based on the information I have, both Kai Kok and Lung Shee are villages in Lung Doo District of Zhongshan County. Both appear to be located near each other in close proximity to the Shekki county seat in the upper section of Lung Doo District. There is a major cluster of villages in this area of Lung Doo District.
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Post by twoupman on Jan 30, 2007 10:45:38 GMT -5
Why not just post a map so we can all see what you are both talking about? It would simplify the issue.
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Post by raymond on Jan 30, 2007 16:13:29 GMT -5
twoupman,
My source of information is a booklet entitled "Geography of Kwangtung Province for Hawaii Residents" by Wai Jane Char and Francis H. Woo, published by the Hawaii Chinese History Center in 1981. This publication may not be as readily found since I believe it had served as a supplemental genealogy instruction book for the Chinese in Hawaii whose ancestors were mostly from Zhongshan County. Being that it appears that much of the booklet was personalized by its authors (inserting Chinese characters and their English phonetics on maps, text and tables), one would best obtain permission from the authors before posting their work on the website for information and discussion. (Besides, I do not have a scanner.) As an alternative, allow me to direct interested posters to the Zhongshan map (pages 138-139) of a published Chinese book "Guangdongsheng Dituce" which I believe one of your posters have used as a source for informational maps for towns and villages. The Zhongshan map in this book is all in Chinese, but for locational purpose one can easily find the Chinese characters for Kai Kok village in the Lung Doo District area of the map.
Raymond
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Post by twoupman on Jan 31, 2007 17:33:01 GMT -5
Andrew,
I do not have a map showing Kai Kok and assuming it is around Longdu you will still have problems locating Longdu on current maps because it was a name used during the Qing Dynasty. Today Longdu 隆都 is called Dayong town ( you may also see it as Dachong) 大涌鎮 and it is located about 11km from the centre of Zhongshan city. Perhaps the most convenient way to get there would be through Macau. I have asked Henry to post a map of this area so you can see the relationship between Dayong and Zhongshan city.
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Post by Henry on Jan 31, 2007 17:51:37 GMT -5
Andrew, Please post the Chinese characters for "Kai Kok" village. Dayong:  |
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Post by Bets on Feb 1, 2007 5:07:32 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure "Kai Kok" is 溪角. If Andrew can read Chinese characters he can google 溪角 and find numerous sites with what looks like bus routes...
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Post by twoupman on Feb 1, 2007 11:03:20 GMT -5
Andrew,
I have finally located Kai Kok (Xijiao) for you and here are the correct Chinese characters 谿角. It is located just west of Zhongshan city which is far away from so-called dated Longdu (Dayong). This discussion has illustrated that linguistic assumptions do not always translate into geographic locations at all. It also emphasizes the need for good maps, as tourist maps are sadly lacking in details because I could not even find it on my latest Zhongshan map purchased there this last December. In this instance, I found this small village on a topographic map of Zhongshan county, but unfortunately this kind of map is not available to the general public. However, if you wish to get hold of one I suggest you contact Henry at tomclan@gmail.com and make the necessary arrangements with him.
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Post by andrew on Feb 6, 2007 17:08:52 GMT -5
Wow, 2007 rolls around and all of a sudden interest in my post! Wierd... first of all thanks to everyone for helping out with the research. I must admit that i've been somewhat busy in life (work, new house, baby coming, etc...) and the genealogy research has suffered as a result.
I unfortunately don't read Chinese nor do i have the Chinese characters for Kai Kok...sorry. For some reason, I do remember reading something or hearing from a family member saying that the town was close to Shekki village.
I see people have posted Chinese characters on this thread, however i'm having difficulty see them (all i see are wierd characters/codes.) Is there a setting in Internet Explorer to view them?
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Post by Henry on Feb 6, 2007 18:23:23 GMT -5
Hi Andrew,
Go to the top of the browser, click on "View", then click on "Character Encoding", then click on "Unicode(UT8)" Then you should be able to view the Chinese characters. if you want a detailed large scale topographic map with your village on it - contact me at: tomclan@gmail.com
Henry
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Post by twoupman on Feb 6, 2007 19:24:23 GMT -5
Shekki çŸ³å² is now called Zhongshan city ä¸å±±å¸‚.
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