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« Thread Started on Nov 9, 2010, 7:26am » | |
Hello all,
I'm doing some research into various people with the surname P O O N (潘) who were living in western Victoria and Adelaide, South Australia in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Many people with the name P O O N appear in the archives, and I am trying to make some concrete connections between a few of the better known ones for an article on the P O O N Gooey deportation case of 1911–13.
I know that they were from Kaiping, and looking at the Chinese Villages Database, there seem to be four P O O N villages in Kaiping:
County 開平Hoiping Kāi Píng hoi1 ping 47030-1627
Area 4
Heung 月山鄉 Yuet Shan Heung Yuè Shān Xiāng jyut6 saan1 hoeng1 2588-1472-6763
Market(s)水口 Sui Hou Shuǐ Kǒu seoi2 hau2 3055--0656
Map Location FQ 1690
9. 中和里 / Chung Wo Lay / Zhōng Hé Lǐ / zung1 wo4 lei5 / 0022-0735-6849 (潘 / thingy / Pān / pun1 / 3382)
19. 橋頭坊 / Kiu Tau Fong / Qiáo Tóu Fāng / kiu4 tau4 fong1 / 2890-7333-0972 (潘 / thingy / Pān / pun1 / 3382)
37. 南江里 / Nam Kong Lay / Nán Jiāng Lǐ / naam4 gong1 lei5 / 0589-3068-6849 (潘 / thingy / Pān / pun1 / 3382)
54. 肇龍里 / Siu Lung Lay / Zhào Lóng Lǐ / siu6 lung4 lei5 / 5128-7893-6849 (潘 / thingy / Pān / pun1 / 3382)
I would be interested to hear from anyone else researching P O O Ns in Victoria or South Australia.
Cheers,
Kate
P.S. I've had to write the surname as P O O N because when I previewed this post, it had been replaced by the word 'thingy', presumably because the surname is close in spelling to a word for offensive things that proliferate online.
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« Reply #1 on Nov 12, 2010, 12:16am » | |
In reply to my own post – research I've done in the archives today shows that P O O N s in Victoria came from Kiu Tau, Nam Kong and Siu Lung Lay.
The three villages are in Yueshan and located next to each other. When I looked on Google Maps I realised that last year I had visited a village very close by – but that village relates to a family of a different name who were in New South Wales.
It still amazes me how a few key pieces of info can get you a long way very quickly!
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« Reply #2 on Aug 6, 2011, 2:40am » | |
Hi Kate,
My ancestor was a P O O N from Kaiping (Hoiping), although he emigrated to Trinidad. I just posted some information on a Y-DNA study for this surname. If you know of any Aussie P O O N males that might participate, perhaps we can identify some distant cousins.
BTW, do you know what became of the Chinese Villages Database? The link on your Tiger's Mouth page appears to have expired. and searching for this term on the Chinese Culture Center site yields no result.
谢谢, Matt
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« Reply #3 on Aug 6, 2011, 7:47pm » | |
Hi Kate,
You may want to contact :
Pay P O O N
ray88@aapt.net.au
I believe Ray is the President, Chinese Australian Historical Association . He is quite knowledgeable and a very helpful person.
As for the Village Database, it still has not been restored to an online operational capability. I have sent emails as others must have. But, there does not seem to be any updates on the progress. I must say that I check everyday and I am disappointed that it is still down.
Doug has also noted this state of affairs:
http://siyigenealogy.proboards.com/index....lay&thread=1421
Very disappointed,
Henry
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« Reply #4 on Aug 6, 2011, 9:10pm » | |
Kate,
The database is still down but I heard that the tech person is on vacation and has not had a chance to fix the interface problem. Hopefully the database will be back up when that person returns.
Follow the link that Henry provided above and send an email to indicate to the Chinese Cultural Center of San Francisco that the Village database is an important asset to all overseas Chinese.
Doug
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« Reply #5 on Aug 10, 2011, 12:24am » | |
Hi all,
Thanks, Henry, for the suggestion of contacting Ray P O O N. I know Ray and unfortunately P O O N (Pan) isn't actually the Chinese surname of his forebear.
And I completeley share all of your frustration about the villages database being offline!
Cheers,
Kate
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« Reply #6 on Jan 8, 2012, 11:48pm » | |
Thanks for this posting which I found by chance after searching over several hours. My paternal grandfather's family name was P O O N. He and his brother and cousin settled in Adelaide, South Australia, and he and his brother died in South Australia in the 1920's. The cousin was P O O N Gooey. There are references to them in newspaper reports from the early 1900's to the 1920's.
Family members had no idea as to which village in the Sze Yap region the family came from, until I came across this post.
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« Reply #7 on Jan 9, 2012, 1:01am » | |
Happy New Year Richard - you could send Kate a private message via this site.
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« Reply #8 on Jan 9, 2012, 2:23am » | |
Jan 9, 2012, 1:01am, helen wrote:| Happy New Year Richard - you could send Kate a private message via this site. |
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Thanks Helen, I have sent a PM to Kate
All the very best for the forthcoming Year of the Dragon (Water)
Richard
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« Reply #9 on Jan 9, 2012, 4:00am » | |
How long have you been searching for your roots? I don't know much about the Sze Yup people - just the Zengcheng ones who came to New Zealand - I guess NZ history isn't as long as Australian history.
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« Reply #10 on Jan 9, 2012, 7:53am » | |
Hi richardn23,
Welcome to our Forum.
If you have the Chinese names of your grandfather & his brother and know that they came from the Sze Yap area - there are just 4 villages that need to be checked. With these names, my Taishan nephew can visit all four villages and research the names and possibly find the village genealogy book that contains the names of your grandfather and his brother. The village genealogy book documents your family lineage and also identifies who your blood relative that may still be living in the village. My nephew speaks English and Kate has already engaged him before to help her do research.
If you need his services, please contact me on "Tomclan@Gmail.com"
Henry
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« Reply #11 on Jan 9, 2012, 8:15am » | |
Jan 9, 2012, 4:00am, helen wrote:| How long have you been searching for your roots? I don't know much about the Sze Yup people - just the Zengcheng ones who came to New Zealand - I guess NZ history isn't as long as Australian history. |
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Helen,
I started on the family research trail in 1986 after returning to Australia from almost a decade in Europe. My grandparents had 8 children, grandfather died in the 1920's.
My older aunts told a few stories and had some photos. One had a lacquered trunk, a cause of initial excitement as there was a label inside the lid which was thought might be a clue to the name or location of the home village; on translation it turned out to be a copyright notice!
The majority of research was done by a cousin.
In recent years digital versions of newspapers have appeared online, enabling me to resume searching in the comfort of my own home rather than spending hours in a library searching microfiches.
Little research has been done on the early Chinese in South Australia. Yet Soo War Way Lee (c.1853-1909) was probably the most eminent, being appointed a mandarin (by all accounts); there is online a photo of him at a reception at Government House in Adelaide about 1901. A building at University of South Australia is named in his honour, and the Australian Dictionary of Biography has an entry for him. Other notable names were Lum Yow, a Chinese herbalist, who has the biggest monument in the central cemetery (adjacent to the Adelaide CBD), and Sym Choon.
The Chinese language school of the Adelaide Churches of Christ celebrated 25 years of operation in 1925. There was a Chinese Empire Reform Association, a Chinese Commercial Association, and a branch of the Chinese National Party.
There were never more than about 200 Chinese resident in South Australia, many seem to have married non-Chinese, or to have fathered children with Indigenous women. Some had important roles as market gardeners, not only in or near the city, but also in far flung rural areas.
With kind regards,
Richard
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« Reply #12 on Jan 9, 2012, 9:03am » | |
Jan 9, 2012, 7:53am, Henry wrote:Hi richardn23,
Welcome to our Forum.
If you have the Chinese names of your grandfather & his brother and know that they came from the Sze Yap area - there are just 4 villages that need to be checked. With these names, my Taishan nephew can visit all four villages and research the names and possibly find the village genealogy book that contains the names of your grandfather and his brother. The village genealogy book documents your family lineage and also identifies who your blood relative that may still be living in the village. My nephew speaks English and Kate has already engaged him before to help her do research.
If you need his services, please contact me on "Tomclan@Gmail.com"
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Many thanks, Henry! I'll be in touch
Richard
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« Reply #13 on Jun 18, 2012, 11:25pm » | |
I've just started trying to build my family tree. I know my family is from Hoiping and that my grandfather emigrated to the U.S. in early 1900's. I know that my father and his brother came to San Francisco when my grandfather bought papers using the "Young" name. My uncle's family is mostly in the Bay Area.
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« Reply #14 on Jun 19, 2012, 3:47am » | |
Jun 18, 2012, 11:25pm, amthingy wrote:| I've just started trying to build my family tree. I know my family is from Hoiping and that my grandfather emigrated to the U.S. in early 1900's. I know that my father and his brother came to San Francisco when my grandfather bought papers using the "Young" name. My uncle's family is mostly in the Bay Area. |
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Hi there
Can you start another thread - with a new title - that way more people will be able to help you.
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