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Post by Ah Gin on Oct 12, 2010 5:48:31 GMT -5
Doug, Regarding sample of Generation Names / Poems, the follow link may be of interst ginsunhall.org/generation_names.htmThe photo of our Clan's Generation Names (The Gin/Yan/Zhen/Chin etc Clan) can be seen on the link. In addition, on that particular page, there are sample pages showing our generation names for each "house" of our clan. This is taken from our Clan Zupu. In our case, the Generation names are listed towards the back of the book, although there are some listed in the front part. So I guess, even for our Clan, we have not adopted a standard or to a particular common "style". Hope this helps. Regards, Ah Gin
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Post by Doug 周 on Oct 12, 2010 11:01:26 GMT -5
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Post by chak on Oct 12, 2010 13:24:37 GMT -5
Doug, I know what you mean. I copied this 梅氏世系表 and pasted it within quotes into my search box. Got 1,860 results and was very happy until I realized I have no idea what it was I got! Carol
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Post by Henry on Oct 12, 2010 15:04:44 GMT -5
Doug & Carol,
The generational poem is specific to the clan in a particular location. The generational poem for the same clan will vary with location.
The generational poem is found primarily in the clan genealogy book, or clan ancestral temple, or posted on a clan website.
For overseas Chinese that cannot read or write Chinese, like me, it will have to be translated.
Henry
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Post by philiptancl on Oct 14, 2010 10:11:34 GMT -5
Hi Carol, Surely it is not as bad as you had put it. I tired out searching what you stated using Google. The result is as shown below: Clicking on the first item, I already strike gold as shown below: It gave the pedigree line of 84 generations for someone with the surname you searched for From that, you could construct the chart for that person pedigree line if one cares to memorize and recognize a few relevant Chinese characters and understand what they represent. As Doug and Henry, knew, I can neither read nor write Chinese and with what I suggested, it would not be much of a problem to construct the pedigree chart. Philip
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Post by chak on Oct 15, 2010 8:34:28 GMT -5
Hi Philip, Your google search, without the quotes, yielded 11,800 results (vs my 1,860) which is much more intimidating however, per your suggestion, I am making a list of Chinese characters that I expect to see and will start going through some of the many results. There’s a lot of information on-line, it just takes time and patience and a willingness to learn - which I have, so thank you for the encouragement. I'm getting right to it! Carol
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Post by philiptancl on Oct 15, 2010 10:18:43 GMT -5
Hi Carol,
I just attempted to interpret the profiles of 4 of Doug's ancestors. If Doug permits and if you or other readers are interested, I can attempt to show you how it is done; including what are the important Chinese characters you should remember. It is more challenging than the one I had extracted from the Internet as shown in my last posting. This would help you to start you off on what Chinese characters to remember.
What is interesting in Doug’s jiapu, some of the wives’ fathers are given, the village they come from. Besides the date given, the time of day (in Chinese twelve cycle time) is also given; very interesting indeed. One never ceases to learn. Doug did not believe I am illiterate in Chinese. It is more a question of how doggedness you are.
Philip
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Post by Doug 周 on Oct 15, 2010 11:02:22 GMT -5
Philip,
YES, you have my expressed permission to use the contents of my Zhou jiapu as a template to help others on this forum understand the information enclosed.
Having the biographies understood is a way the normally male dominated field of classical Chinese genealogy can be expanded to include the woman's side of the family. This added information can potentially provide a launching point for searching for the wife's family tree.
Philip owns and has seen many jiapus. Whereas there is no international standard, for others to see how a biography is organized will help their family history research.
This is especially important to those of use who (sadly) can only interpret Chinese characters like memorized inkblots.
Doug
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Post by chak on Oct 15, 2010 11:15:15 GMT -5
Hi Philip, YES, this reader would definitely be interested. Thank you! Carol
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Post by philiptancl on Oct 16, 2010 5:23:50 GMT -5
Hi Carol and Doug,
I will work on it ASAP, hopefully next week. I need to do it in a way that, hopefully, could be understood.
I still owe sdcheung something that I had promised him earlier. I hope he would not be slighted if I delay his for a while longer.
Philip
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Post by sdcheung on Oct 16, 2010 15:58:26 GMT -5
Philip, not in the least. I'm still waiting on another family member to send me a word file for the other names in Chinese characters.
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Post by philiptancl on Oct 17, 2010 21:31:20 GMT -5
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Post by raymond on Oct 23, 2010 20:33:20 GMT -5
Ditto to Henry's last posting......indeed a generation poem is or can be village-specific for the same family clan surname. On my recent trip back to my ancestral village in Xinhui County I learned that the generation poem for my Seid/Sit/Xue/Hsueh Ѧ surname in Cheong Sah (Chang Sha) village is different from the Seid/Sit/Xue/Hsueh generation poem of Jook Wan village which is literally located adjacent (one step away) to my village.
Raymond
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Post by lesthean on Nov 5, 2010 19:00:31 GMT -5
Hi Doug Sorry for the delay in replying to your request for my generational poem.........I don't know if I have one.I have asked my Mum but she wasn't able to help.I have a jiapu (post WW 2 )but I would need some one to read it
Les
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Post by andytan on Nov 24, 2020 20:39:32 GMT -5
Hi. Could someone post the Liu Clan Generational Poem again? The links to the photos don't work anymore.
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