Hi Evan, Thank you for taking the time to help me find my dad's village. I have no idea whether my family village is in Guangdong or Sichuan, but others on this forum think it was Guangdong. I am hoping that someone will be able to tell me as I would like to go there one day. My very best wishes, Linda
Most likely your family came from Guangdong because during the great diaspora of the 1800s and 1900s most of the families (the great majority men) came from SE China, i.e., Guangdong and Fujian. Also, looks like others responding to this thread think your family came from Guangdong; so we should concentrate on Guangdong. Sichuan is quite far to the west and I don't think too many emigrated from there.
According to her father's tombstone his name was Seto Kai Yip and he came from the village of Chaoyang in Yan Ping/Enping. Enping was formerly a county, one of 4 counties in Siyi (Siyi meaning 4 counties) in Guangdong province. These are the facts and we don't have to focus anywhere else except Enping, which is now a city.
As we have seen quite often, some village names are very common and Chaoyang happens to be one of them; there are at least 7 villages with that name. So looking for her father's Chaoyang village in Enping requires more than a search in Google Maps. We have to match a Chaoyang village with the Seto surname, hopefully coming up with only one. We don't have the luxury of the village-surname database to narrow the choices down.
Last Edit: Mar 30, 2012 12:27:51 GMT -5 by laohuaqiao
Thank you everyone for trying to help me locate my dad's village. This forum has been a real blessing to me and is bringing peace into my heart. I feel a sense of community and genuine caring here.
Henry, we will definitely need a guide when we go, so I will email you for your nephews contact information. Although I don't have a timeline for when we will go to China, I am hoping for within a year from now. If I can't find dad's actual village before I leave, I can start at the closest of the 7 possibilities and continue until I find it.
Just did a search for Chaoyang Village in Enping City, Jiangmen, Guangdong on the Chinese website www.xzqh.org/html/2010/1117/21277.html. And can't find Chaoyang listed as an official village, which is not unusual because city and village administrations are reorganized every few years.
In my mother's case, her village Chadong is no longer listed as an official village. But based on info from relatives in China, Chadong is part of Lanbian Village, and when I do a Google search for Chadong and Lanbian in English and in Chinese I get many hits. So Chadong is probably now considered as a neighborhood or tract (in my case I live in the Bridle Creek tract of Pleasanton CA) of Lanbian Village. That may also be the case of Chaoyang in relation to Enping City.
I'll do a google search for Situ (司徒) and Chaoyang (潮陽) combination and see whether I can come up with anything.
I think www.xzqh.org/ is a more authoritative source for locating towns and villages in China because it comes from the "horse's mouth". It's more up to date and complete than anything I see on Wikipedia and other websites so far. It's in simplified Chinese so I use the MDBG dictionary to decipher it.
Post by laohuaqiao on Mar 30, 2012 15:29:27 GMT -5
Evan, The village in question is 朝阳 and not 潮阳.
As far as I can tell, the xzqh.org provides the Chinese government hierarchy. The site goes down to administrative village level, which I believe is the lowest level of government. Each administrative village can have 10, 20, 30 or more villages within its jurisdiction.
Better sites for search are postal code search sites, and must be done in simplified Chinese. They follow the same government hierarchy, but adding the individual villages.
A typical rural address is: People's Republic of China Province city county level city/district town administrative village village 6-digit postal code
I know villages have put up lane numbers and house numbers, but for now that's not required because a typical village has 100-200 villagers and everyone knows everyone else in the village.
You're right. By looking further using Google, I found four Chaoyang Villages under Shahu Town. They are in the Shangkaiguan District, and Nali, Libian and Nanzha Neighborhoods (or Village Committees) of Shahu Town. May find more in other towns like you said if I look further. This is getting confusing.
Prior to your visit to Enping, my Taishan nephew can call the village chiefs of each of the 7 villages and determine the clan for that village and if they have a genealogy book with the names of your ancestors.
Did a quick search this morning for surname Situ (司徒) and Enping (恩平) and came up with the following:
From a Taishan medical compensation list there was a patient named Situ Quye, which is uncannily close to your father’s name Situ Qiye (see attachment) who was treated between July 9-10, 2008 at the Kaiping Central Hospital. The record shows that he’s from the West Village of Baisha Town in Taishan City. Taishan is next to Enping, and Kaiping where the hospital is located is between Taishan and Enping. All of these cities are under the jurisdiction of Jiangmen Prefecture-level City.
Don’t know whether Situ Quye is related to your father but this is another lead. Hope I’m not creating more confusion.
msen: Hi Sis, and welcome to the forum. As you know, I recently returned on a long journey from Florida to see one of our American cousins, sadly, in hospice. Her wish was to reconnect our family and visit with as many as could make the trip to her bedside.
Jun 15, 2013 12:27:50 GMT -5
msen: Oops, I guess i will continue in shoutbox, but merely wanted to reply to you! Long story short, her wish came true and now we have, thanks to forum friends, our village and some names in our father's family. Shout out to Laohuaqiao, FayChee and forum.
Jun 15, 2013 12:32:35 GMT -5