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Post by FayChee on Mar 30, 2012 1:52:19 GMT -5
Hi Evan,
Thank you for taking the time to help me find my dad's village. I have no idea whether my family village is in Guangdong or Sichuan, but others on this forum think it was Guangdong. I am hoping that someone will be able to tell me as I would like to go there one day.
My very best wishes,
Linda
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Post by Henry on Mar 30, 2012 8:13:18 GMT -5
Hi Linda,
To locate your ancestral village of Chaoyang within Enping county - go to Google Maps and type in:
"Enping, Chaoyang, Jiangmen, Guangdong, China"
You can then zoom out to see the location of Chaoyang village relative to other places in the SiYi region, for example, Chaoyang is approximately 30 miles SW of Kaiping.
If you need a guide when you visit, please contact me " Tomclan@Gmail.com "and I will arrange to have my Taishan nephew serve as your guide.
Henry
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Post by Evan on Mar 30, 2012 11:13:21 GMT -5
Hi Linda,
Most likely your family came from Guangdong because during the great diaspora of the 1800s and 1900s most of the families (the great majority men) came from SE China, i.e., Guangdong and Fujian. Also, looks like others responding to this thread think your family came from Guangdong; so we should concentrate on Guangdong. Sichuan is quite far to the west and I don't think too many emigrated from there.
evan
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Post by laohuaqiao on Mar 30, 2012 12:26:38 GMT -5
I don't want Linda's search for her ancestral village to go off in different directions, I'll repeat my response to her post in siyigenealogy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=names&action=display&thread=167 Soo Hoo, Seto, Szeto, Situ from Hoiping (Kaiping) thread. According to her father's tombstone his name was Seto Kai Yip and he came from the village of Chaoyang in Yan Ping/Enping. Enping was formerly a county, one of 4 counties in Siyi (Siyi meaning 4 counties) in Guangdong province. These are the facts and we don't have to focus anywhere else except Enping, which is now a city. As we have seen quite often, some village names are very common and Chaoyang happens to be one of them; there are at least 7 villages with that name. So looking for her father's Chaoyang village in Enping requires more than a search in Google Maps. We have to match a Chaoyang village with the Seto surname, hopefully coming up with only one. We don't have the luxury of the village-surname database to narrow the choices down. |
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Post by FayChee on Mar 30, 2012 13:17:14 GMT -5
Thank you everyone for trying to help me locate my dad's village. This forum has been a real blessing to me and is bringing peace into my heart. I feel a sense of community and genuine caring here.
Henry, we will definitely need a guide when we go, so I will email you for your nephews contact information. Although I don't have a timeline for when we will go to China, I am hoping for within a year from now. If I can't find dad's actual village before I leave, I can start at the closest of the 7 possibilities and continue until I find it.
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Post by Evan on Mar 30, 2012 13:36:31 GMT -5
Just did a search for Chaoyang Village in Enping City, Jiangmen, Guangdong on the Chinese website www.xzqh.org/html/2010/1117/21277.html. And can't find Chaoyang listed as an official village, which is not unusual because city and village administrations are reorganized every few years. In my mother's case, her village Chadong is no longer listed as an official village. But based on info from relatives in China, Chadong is part of Lanbian Village, and when I do a Google search for Chadong and Lanbian in English and in Chinese I get many hits. So Chadong is probably now considered as a neighborhood or tract (in my case I live in the Bridle Creek tract of Pleasanton CA) of Lanbian Village. That may also be the case of Chaoyang in relation to Enping City. I'll do a google search for Situ (司徒) and Chaoyang (潮陽) combination and see whether I can come up with anything. I think www.xzqh.org/ is a more authoritative source for locating towns and villages in China because it comes from the "horse's mouth". It's more up to date and complete than anything I see on Wikipedia and other websites so far. It's in simplified Chinese so I use the MDBG dictionary to decipher it. evan |
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Post by laohuaqiao on Mar 30, 2012 15:29:27 GMT -5
Evan,
The village in question is 朝阳 and not 潮阳.
As far as I can tell, the xzqh.org provides the Chinese government hierarchy. The site goes down to administrative village level, which I believe is the lowest level of government. Each administrative village can have 10, 20, 30 or more villages within its jurisdiction.
Better sites for search are postal code search sites, and must be done in simplified Chinese. They follow the same government hierarchy, but adding the individual villages.
A typical rural address is:
People's Republic of China
Province
city
county level city/district
town
administrative village
village
6-digit postal code
I know villages have put up lane numbers and house numbers, but for now that's not required because a typical village has 100-200 villagers and everyone knows everyone else in the village.
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Post by Doug on Mar 30, 2012 16:58:09 GMT -5
....The Hakka influence from that wikipedia page is BS.... You ought to make an entry into Wikipedia. I know you participate in the ChineseRootsWikiclick. That is one of the advantage of a Wiki. People can add and give their opinions or point of view. |
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Post by Evan on Mar 30, 2012 21:59:24 GMT -5
Thanks laohuaqiao for the correction. Now a Google search identifies Chaoyang Village as being part of Shahu Township of Enping City, Jiangmen, Guangdong. Can anyone verify this? Do you know of a Chinese website that lists the zipcodes? evan Attachments:
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Post by FayChee on Mar 30, 2012 23:08:07 GMT -5
Looks like we're getting there....thanks everyone!
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Post by laohuaqiao on Mar 31, 2012 1:06:31 GMT -5
There are in fact 3 Chaoyang villages in Shahu Town, plus at least 4 more in other towns. That's why Google search is helpful but often does not do the job. There are many sites youbian.com, youbian.911cha.com or google "youbian" to find others. The one I like to use is www.tenwang.com |
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Post by Evan on Mar 31, 2012 2:52:54 GMT -5
You're right. By looking further using Google, I found four Chaoyang Villages under Shahu Town. They are in the Shangkaiguan District, and Nali, Libian and Nanzha Neighborhoods (or Village Committees) of Shahu Town. May find more in other towns like you said if I look further. This is getting confusing. Attachments:
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Post by Henry on Mar 31, 2012 8:18:23 GMT -5
Hi Linda,
Prior to your visit to Enping, my Taishan nephew can call the village chiefs of each of the 7 villages and determine the clan for that village and if they have a genealogy book with the names of your ancestors.
Henry
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Post by FayChee on Mar 31, 2012 9:21:33 GMT -5
Thanks, Henry, that would be great!
Linda
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Post by Evan on Mar 31, 2012 12:22:53 GMT -5
Did a quick search this morning for surname Situ (司徒) and Enping (恩平) and came up with the following: From a Taishan medical compensation list there was a patient named Situ Quye, which is uncannily close to your father’s name Situ Qiye (see attachment) who was treated between July 9-10, 2008 at the Kaiping Central Hospital. The record shows that he’s from the West Village of Baisha Town in Taishan City. Taishan is next to Enping, and Kaiping where the hospital is located is between Taishan and Enping. All of these cities are under the jurisdiction of Jiangmen Prefecture-level City. Don’t know whether Situ Quye is related to your father but this is another lead. Hope I’m not creating more confusion. evan Attachments:
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Hi Sis, and welcome to the forum. As you know, I recently returned on a long journey from Florida to see one of our American cousins, sadly, in hospice. Her wish was to reconnect our family and visit with as many as could make the trip to her bedside.