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Post by FayChee on Sept 2, 2019 18:16:36 GMT -5
Hi Evelyn, Thank you for the information. I wish that I could be of more help to you and Roy Seto, but I am very limited by my lack of Chinese comprehension.
Roy is looking for information on his Hawaiian Chinese Ancestors, so it is possible there is a relationship. We were looking for 4 sons, one of which is Wen ji in Mandarin, Man Gei in Cantonese and Mon Kee in Toishanese. According to Wen Ji's (Mon Kee Seto) tombstone, his Village was Xuan Long Li. I was not able to find him in that part of the New Seto Zupu. Maybe I should look at your Village of Lianshengli.....
I will send your chart to Roy and see what he thinks, but he does not understand Chinese either.
Best, Fay Chee
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Post by evelyn on Sept 2, 2019 23:36:49 GMT -5
Hi Fay Chee, When I saw this post about Wen Ji and saw that I had an ancestor with that name it made me wonder because I have no idea where my grandfather's siblings migrated to and when you mentioned Hawaii, that was a possibility which is why I responded. Who knows right? There might be a missing link we need to find. I remember a Hilari Seto from my high school. I haven't been i touch with her in a long time but I know she has strong ties to Hawaii. I don't know how much she is connected to her Chinese heritage. I think I will reach out via Face Book to see.
I think Roy and I need someone to compare our sets of names to see if they might be the same family. Maybe Jason Wu could help compare. Thanks for your efforts in helping everyone. You are remarkable in how far you've come.
I'm still curious which of the two sets of Situ ancestors I'm connected to. Of the two family poems you listed, one was closer to the family poem I have.
The Lianshengli village is very small, only 4-6 houses and I know that my grandfather's house was built in 1928 when he returned from the U.S. so I know that is not his ancestral home, which is what I'm in search of (possibily long before they settled in the Chikan/Hoiping area. I'm missing information from generation 1-13 so it could be in that part of the Jaipu that I don't have.
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Post by evelyn on Sept 3, 2019 1:15:14 GMT -5
Hi Fay Chee, I took a closer look at the dates of Roy's Wen Ji and my ancestor Wen Ji and the birthdays are VERY different, probably different generations. However, my ancestor did have several brothers.
Here's what I have...maybe someone out there can help connect me to other ancestors.
18th Generation: Wenji (文籍) [Man Zik] born 9/15/1844 died 10/31/1907
. Married: Ms. Gong (龔) [Gung]
Gave birth to five sons: Eldest – Zhenrui (振銳) [Zan Jeoi], Second – Zhenwei (振偉) [Zan Wai], Third – Zhenye (振葉) [Zan Yip], Fourth - Zhenmu (振沐) [Zan Muk] (my grandfather), Fifth – Zhen (振 ) [Zan ]
Eldest daughter: Xinhao (新好) [San Hou] married a man surnamed Ye (葉) [Yip] from Caotang Village (草塘村) [Cou Tong Cyun] , gave birth to a son named Fengyou (逢祐) [Fung Jau]. Second daughter: Qiuhao (秋好) [Cau Hou] married a man surnamed Zhu (朱) [Zyu] from Xuezijiecun (學子莭村) [Hok Zi Zit Cyun], gave birth to a son named Tingzhen (庭蓁) [Ting Zeon
Evelyn
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Post by roy on Sept 3, 2019 13:11:16 GMT -5
Fay Chee, I believe Evelyn is right, there does not appear to be a match of Wenji data, the DOB and DOD are very different. I'm not sure that the name is the same as the Chinese characters are different. I am not able to say to much definitely as I still do not know the real Chinese names of the four Seto brothers. I only know the romanized names as documented in the U.S. Census. Thank you for all your help and for getting me this far in my search for my Seto ancestors.
It appears that Evelyn has a good handle on her genealogy efforts and has quite a lot of information on her Seto family. I wish her the best in her journey.
Roy
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Post by evelyn on Sept 4, 2019 18:05:50 GMT -5
Fay Chee, I believe Evelyn is right, there does not appear to be a match of Wenji data, the DOB and DOD are very different. I'm not sure that the name is the same as the Chinese characters are different. I am not able to say to much definitely as I still do not know the real Chinese names of the four Seto brothers. I only know the romanized names as documented in the U.S. Census. Thank you for all your help and for getting me this far in my search for my Seto ancestors. It appears that Evelyn has a good handle on her genealogy efforts and has quite a lot of information on her Seto family. I wish her the best in her journey. Roy
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Post by evelyn on Sept 4, 2019 18:13:33 GMT -5
Hi Roy, seeing your post about relatives migrating to Hawaii has got me thinking. My grandfather was the 4th of 5 sons. He came in as a paper son but it made me wonder what the heck happened to the rest of his family. Did they survive the wars and the cultural revolution or perhaps one or more of them went to Hawaii instead of America. Did you find a lot of Setos in Hawaii? There was a mixed race Seto family (from Hawaii I believe) that went to my same high school. I was born with the paper name Jung so I didn't put things together until now. I lost touch with this person but found her on FB and sent her a message. I'm hoping she responds to me. I asked about her Chinese side and what she might know about it. Maybe there will be something useful that surfaces. I only have pages from the family Jaipu from generation 14-21. I'm hoping when I go to China this fall, I can get info on generation 1-13 at the Situ library. I'm thinking the migration pattern might be lodged in those pages. There is a theory my grandfather's ancestors may have come from Chek Sui which I believe is a ways from Chikhan/Hoiping where he settled upon returning from America.
Evelyn
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Post by roy on Sept 4, 2019 21:44:57 GMT -5
Evelyn The four Seto brothers from my ancestors came from Kaiping (Hoiping) I learned from Fay Chee that their village is called Xuan Long Li , based on the tombstone writings of one of the brothers. Due to not knowing the Chinese names of any of the brothers I am not able to go further in the search for my "Seto ancestors or locate the Jiapu of the family. My mother was one of ten Seto children of Mon Chong Seto. The Seto family from the four brothers have grown exponentially through inter marriages and have spread widely across the USA. from California to New York and from Michigan to Mississippi and all states in between.
It appears that you have the necessary knowledge and resources to be successful in your genealogical journey, Fay Chee can be of great help to you.
If you manage to contact your Chinese friend from Hawaii and wish to collaborate on some findings, please let me know to see if I can help in any way.
Roy
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Post by Dennis on Oct 6, 2019 4:36:00 GMT -5
Hello Evelyn, May I ask you what high school you attended. My oldest sisters name is Hilarie. Our family is from Hawaii. My dad worked for Pan Am and around 1954 he moved our family to Los Angeles, Ca. We lived in the Hawthorne / Inglewood area and then finally settling in Gardena, Ca. Regards, Dennis
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Post by FayChee on Apr 3, 2020 9:02:59 GMT -5
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Post by FayChee on Apr 4, 2020 16:56:48 GMT -5
My Covid-19 ChingMing 2020....... We've been restricted to our homes for over 2 weeks......I was not prepared for Ching Ming.......I could not go to the Asian Food Market for the Whole Chicken or Crispy Pork.....no sweet treats or fresh oranges........luckily I had a bag of apples on hand. The only meat product was frozen shrimp, so I made my dad Shrimp Fried Rice! I did have the paper money, candles and incense left over from last year....... Next year it will be better ...
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Post by douglaslam on Apr 7, 2020 6:00:10 GMT -5
Fay Chee,
You never stop to surprise by your energy and sincerity. Our Ching Ming observation is not about faiths or religions. It's how we express ourselves. I am moved by your single mindedness to honour the memories of your father. Your improvisation is second to none. Well done.
Douglas
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Post by FayChee on Apr 7, 2020 15:15:40 GMT -5
Hi Douglaslam! Just seeing your name brightens my day! I did my best to honor my dad and my Ancestors under these circumstances of lock-down. The only 'nagging' question that I had was "should I remove the Twinkies from the packaging?'.....if I did that, they would probably get hard if I didn't eat them all right away (not being funny), but I have gained quite alot of weight since being confined to the house with a stockpile of food in the basement. My dad always brought home 'Jelly-rolls'from the bakery after work, and Twinkies are a similar treat but with creme inside, rather than strawberry jelly. I am thinking that I should have removed the Twinkie from the wrapper, but it is too late now. If I knew for sure whether or not it matters, I will be better prepared for next year's Ching Ming...........hopefully not under quarantine..... My Best Warm Regards to you and everyone on Siyi! Fay Chee
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Post by douglaslam on Apr 8, 2020 22:40:55 GMT -5
Fay Chee, even after so many decades the memories of your father are still fresh in your mind. You're a very worthy and filial daughter, a much desired virtue in our culture.
I, along with other septuagenarians at work all get four weeks of extra paid leave to stay home and stay safe. I am both busy and idling at once. I exercise self control in snacking, and I do keep up with my exercise regime. Lately, I leave home and walk my wife to the station for the train and bus as she leaves home for work. Then I take off on foot, meet her at a bus stop about 35 mins. later to see her onto another bus. Then, it's another 40 mins. or so to make my way home. That must burn up about 1k. calories or over 10 km. in distance. I am happy with that.
The virus finally convinced my wife to retire. Whereas I had plans to retire mapped out by a professional, the pandemic got the better of me. I can't go any where, can't meet up with Henry in China, and worst of all, my super funds are taking a hammering. I guess I'll work on a bit. That's how it is for me in a nutshell.
Keep safe Fay Chee. I'm sure we'll meet up one day.
Douglas
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Post by evelyn on Jun 6, 2020 11:53:51 GMT -5
Hello Evelyn, May I ask you what high school you attended. My oldest sisters name is Hilarie. Our family is from Hawaii. My dad worked for Pan Am and around 1954 he moved our family to Los Angeles, Ca. We lived in the Hawthorne / Inglewood area and then finally settling in Gardena, Ca. Regards, Dennis
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Post by evelyn on Jun 6, 2020 12:00:52 GMT -5
Hi Dennis, My apologies for the long delay in responding to your message. I have been away from the forum for a long time. I went to China in October/November and when I got back got caught up with the holidays and now we have this pendemic going on.
I attended Gardena High and Hiliarie and I were in the same class of '66. We exchanged an email quite a while back. Please send her my regards.
I was in search of my grandfather's siblings. They seemed to have disappeared and it made me wonder if any of them had migrated to Hawaii and then it reminded me of Hilarie and I had this wild "what if" idea to see if you folks have any information of your Chinese ancestors and where they may have come from. If you have any information that would be terrific. It would have to go back several generations. My grandfather migrated in the early 1900s so his brothers may have migrated around that time or earlier as his brothers were older.
Evelyn
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