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Post by suryachandra on Sept 12, 2016 11:58:43 GMT -5
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Post by kjhong on Sept 12, 2016 13:00:25 GMT -5
Hi suryachandra, I am also part of the Zeng 曾clan. We are from Guangdong Province, Taishan County, Dong'an Village (廣東省台山東安村). My father was born there. If this is the same village as yours, I have several genealogies that may help contain your relatives. My Chinese is very basic, but we can try.
Let me know if you think there's a match.
--Ken
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Post by suryachandra on Sept 12, 2016 20:46:02 GMT -5
Hi...Kjhong.... May i know your father name? and do u have a photo of your fahter n family? and..what country u stay now? My Mission after my Dad has Passed away....Searching my Ancestral 曾Clan (My Grandpa family / Relative at China Dong'an Village) Last letter from china is 1986 (30 YEars ago) I'm from Medan,North Sumatera, Indonesia whatsapp number +62 8192027988 Email Zona_comp@yahoo.com
Surya Chan
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Post by suryachandra on Sept 12, 2016 20:52:35 GMT -5
Letters from China 30years ago
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Post by suryachandra on Sept 13, 2016 0:43:12 GMT -5
This is my Older brother...what do u think? got a little same face with you? i think almost same...
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Post by Doug 周 on Sept 13, 2016 1:19:45 GMT -5
OMG!
While you two go into private communication, please give the members of the forum a summary of your eventual findings.
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Post by suryachandra on Sept 13, 2016 11:02:14 GMT -5
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Post by philiptancl on Sept 16, 2016 2:28:31 GMT -5
From consultation with others, the address on the envelope posted by Suryachandra appeared to read as 由: 中國, 福建省, 廈門市, 秀林區, 曾缄村. Recently I was in contact with Suryachandra. From the gravestones he provided me, when he mentioned “Dong’an” in his posting, it should in fact be Tong’an (同安). I do not know yet whether his Zeng (曾) clan also belongs to the Long Shan Zeng (龍山曾) clan.
Recently I did a chart for Hakka Zeng (曾) for an old classmate. That Zeng (曾) clan does not come under Long Shan Zeng (龍山曾) clan. The progenitor of his ancestral village moved from Zhangle (長樂) to Guangdong, Huizhou (惠州) Huiyang (惠陽) Danshui (淡水) in 1752 .
Recenrly I had been trying to understand the famous Khoo Kongsi of Penang, Malaysia. As I understand it, Long Shan Tang Qiu Gong Si (龍山堂邱公司) from Penang and its sub-clans, Wen Shan Tang Qiu Gong Si (文山堂邱公司) and Qiu Dun Jing Tang Qiu Gong Si (邱敦敬堂邱公司) do not represent every Chinese with the Qiu (邱) surname. Instead those whose ancestral origin is from Xin Jiang She (新江社), Xin’an Village (新垵村), San Dou District (三都), Hai Cheng County (海澄縣), Zhangzhou Prefecture (漳州府), Fujian Province (福建省), China (中国) are accepted as clanmen. Xin Jiang She (新江社) is presently the Xin’an Village (新垵村) in Xing Lin District (杏林鎮), Xing Lin Town (杏林區), Xiamen (厦門).
Long Shan Qiu clan (龍山邱氏), the Qiu (邱) of Xin An Village (新垵村) and the Long Shan Tang Qiu Gong Si (龍山堂邱公司), Penang have the same progenitor, who is Qiū Qiān Róng (邱遷榮). 遷榮 is the Hao (號) name, the Zì (字) name is Yong Zai (永在) while the Hu (諱) name is Ming (明). Zeng Ming (曾明) was from the Long Shan clan (龍山曾氏), but he was adopted by the Qiu “丘”family. His descendants continue to recognize Lóng Shān Zēng (龍山曾) as their ancestor. Zēng Míng (邱明) was the fourth son of Zeng Chang (曾昌) and the fifth descendent of Zeng Guang Chuo (曾光绰). The son of Qiu Míng (邱明) is Qiu Wan Cheng (邱晚成).
Long Shan (龍山) is the name of a branch of the Zeng (曾) surname. This branch started in Tang Dynasty (唐朝) when one of Zeng (曾) ancestor (Zeng Yan Zuo/Yan Shi (曾延祚/延世)) moved from Jiangxi (江西) to Fujian (福建) and settled down at a place call “Longtau Shan” ("龍頭山“). The descendents of this family were subsequently named as “Longshan Pai” ("龍山派”). Members of this branch mostly originated from China, Fújiàn. When in Fújiàn one could find houses that have lanterns with "龍山" written on them hanging outside their main doors or have "龍山堂", "龍山派衍" written on top of their main doors. Most likely these houses belong to members of Long Shan Zeng (龍山曾) Clan.
In old time, Qiū is often written as “邱” or “丘”. The name was change from “丘” to “邱” in the year 1725 when the Qing Dynasty (清朝) Emperor crowned Confucius as Ultimate Holly One (至圣). In addition he ordered the Qiu (丘) family to change their name to “邱” as “Kong Qiu (孔丘)” was the personal name (Ming) (名) of Confucius. When the Qing Dynasty ended, some of the Qiu family members did change their family name back to “丘” but many continue to use “邱”.
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Post by kjhong on Nov 4, 2016 23:38:18 GMT -5
Suryachandra, I'm sorry I haven't replied sooner, as I don't visit these forum often. I'm glad that philiptancl has pointed you in the right direction. You are in very good hands. My family lives in the US, but I know we have relatives in Indonesia. My father's name was Jack Hong 曾連卓 and my grandfather HONG Hock How 曾學厚. I wrote about tracing my father and mother's family trees on the Sharing Tales Forum. Best of luck! Ken
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Post by north476 on Feb 9, 2019 11:58:50 GMT -5
I am about to start compiling information on my family history and the 曾 clan. I'm hoping to pass it to my son. Feel free to let me know if you have any comments/questions.
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Post by Doug 周 on Feb 11, 2019 12:31:31 GMT -5
If you live in the USA, consider taking one of Henry 's class. Every Chinese family historian should take a class from Henry:
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Post by Henry on Feb 17, 2019 13:06:39 GMT -5
Doug,
Thank you for the very kind words.
When I first did my research on my Chinese ancestry & lineages, I wished I could have taken some Chinese genealogy workshops. It would have saved me a lot of time, energy, and expenses. It took me over 3 years and over $20,000 to do my research which included 3 trips to China, and even some translations.
The main reason why I and some of my friends do these Chinese American Genealogy Workshops is to help people from my generation and others is to share our knowledge & experiences in the hope it will help advance their research.
But at age 76 years, I am not sure how long I can continue to organize these Chinese American Genealogy Workshops here in the US and the Overseas Chinese Genealogy Workshop & Tours in China.
Please do not assume these workshops will always be around for people to attend at their convenience.
By the way, for what you pay for these workshops is quite affordable and I know - all overseas Chinese are cheap, a result of growing up as immigrant children but, you have to ask yourself, what is your heritage worth?
Personally, just like your ancestors, my ancestors have sacrificed and struggled to preserve our clan / family genealogies over 4,700 years for us. As my duty & obligation, the very least I can do is to update these genealogies and make sure they are available for the future generations of our family.
Henry
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Post by Doug 周 on Feb 17, 2019 13:23:18 GMT -5
Henry , I have known you for a long time and you have taught me so much. You were kind enough to include me years ago in my first teaching session with your Long Island, NY genealogy class. I cannot ever fully express how much I appreciated your contribution to my family history growth. What you just shared is why I emphasize to every newbie to take the opportunity to attend a Chinese American genealogy class from you. I hope Chinese family historians don't, as I regret, not having had the opportunity to have learned from masters like you. I lost such an opportunity to have listened to Him Mark Lai years previously. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Him_Mark_LaiSo the least I can do is to try to give back by providing amateurish responses to family historians on this Forum.
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Post by Henry on Feb 17, 2019 22:20:41 GMT -5
Hi Doug,
The Chinese American Genealogy Workshops are a collective effort of several dedicated people, just like this Forum - the synergy of so many people from all over the world is powerful - we help each other and learn from each other.
I must say that the old adage is true - the more you learn, the more you realize how little you know. Most of us do not take up researching our Chinese ancestry until we are seniors, however, I am encouraged by young people like Jason Wu - at age 21 - who is quite competent & serious about Chinese genealogy research.
As you know, I have been to China many times and have done my search of Chinese genealogy research, however, I never really experienced rural village life in China until this past Nov 2018 with the China workshop & visiting our ancestral villages - this is the culmination of all our research. Also, with the cultural immersion into Chinese rural village life that your parents & ancestors have lived - there is nothing like it.
We have talk the talk, now, it is time to walk the walk.
I believe that the people of our generation really need to experience something like the forthcoming China workshop. But, then you feel & understand the full closure of visiting your ancestral village and completing the journey that your parents or ancestors started from the ancestral village - it will certainly change you.
In your case, unlike when my nephew did research for your ancestral villages in Zhongshan - there now a government Foreign and Overseas Chinese Affairs Office in Shiqi not far from you ancestral village that can help and assist in research - at no cost. The researchers from Wuyi University are also excellent. I strongly encourage you to join us in November - I know you will really enjoy it.
This is the one opportunity you should not miss - if you go, you will see that I have organized this China workshop & tours in a very good way & you will never regret going.
Henry
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Post by north476 on Mar 3, 2019 8:11:46 GMT -5
My dad has a book of the 曾 clan. I believe the purpose of the book is for all the 曾 clan descendants to send information regarding their children to be registered. And with a fee you can buy the book. I think they are located in Singapore. I can take picture of the cover and a few page to show. Please let me know.
I just found out that I'm a Hakka chinese. I always wondered, growing up, why our family speak an additional dialect comparing to all my chinese friends. We are from the area of Liúshā ( 流沙 ) {quicksand}. I have picture of my 1996 trip back with my dad.
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