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Post by amy on May 2, 2014 17:32:26 GMT -5
On a 1926 U.S. immigration interrogation transcript, my grandfather states that his wife and son live in 'Gong Ngar Oon Village, Sunning District'. That's how it's transcribed anyway and is probably how it sounds phonetically in Toisanese. Any guesses as to what the Chinese characters and location are? Thanks.
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Post by lachinatown on May 2, 2014 17:55:47 GMT -5
What is the surname? Have you gone to the village database to match the village?
Are you sure it is 台山 / Toishan (Sunning District) and not the other counties: 中山 / Chung Shan, 開平 / Hoiping, or 新會 / Sun Wui ?
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Post by amy on May 3, 2014 11:14:29 GMT -5
My family name is Chin 陳 from 六村鄉 , 大湾村. I just found it curious that in this instance in 1926, grandfather states his wife and sons are living in "Gong Ngar Oon Village, Sunning District" -- maybe it is grandmother's home village? I believe she may have been a Liu or Lee (劉 / 李).
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Post by laohuaqiao on May 3, 2014 11:53:24 GMT -5
The only village I see in Liucun 六村 that could be Kong Ngar Oon is Kong Ha/Jiangxia 江夏. I know it's a stretch, perhaps it's the Liucun dialect, the "h" in Ha somehow became a nasal sound and turned into Ngar, and the word for village "toon" became "oon".
The other possibility is your grandfather came as a paper son, then his wife and sons would have to be stated as to be living in the paper father's village.
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Post by Doug 周 on May 3, 2014 13:40:14 GMT -5
...The other possibility is your grandfather came as a paper son, then his wife and sons would have to be stated as to be living in the paper father's village. Ditto what laohuaqiao states. I posted a contrarian opinion about the usefullness of US interrorgation contents during the Chinese Exclusion period: Truth and Lies: Finding the Falsities in NARAclick |
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Post by amy on Jul 14, 2014 0:06:15 GMT -5
Mystery solved! After reading hundreds more pages of interrogation transcripts from different periods relative to this area/town, I've discovered that Gong Ngar Oon is just another name for Ai Wan (大湾). It's a large village with a new section and an older section and this older section was also called Gong Nar Oon. With that bit of info, any guesses as to what the Chinese characters would be for Gong Nar Oon?
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Post by laohuaqiao on Jul 14, 2014 12:57:45 GMT -5
Amy, I posted this on the Ti Ling Association last year. Ti Ling was the official position of the ancestor of the Chen clan in Doushan Liucun, Chen Youzhi. He was so well known and respect that he was given the nickname Chen Tiling. Ting Ling Association is located on 62nd St by 8th Ave in Brooklyn's Sunset Park Chinatown, about hundred feet from the R subway station. Association's phone number is on the banner on the street front. siyigenealogy.proboards.com/thread/2015/ti-ling-american-associationLet us know if they are helpful. The association could be a great source of information for the many whose ancestors came from Liucun. |
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Post by lachinatown on Jul 14, 2014 13:19:30 GMT -5
缸瓦墩 or Kong Ngar Tun or Gong Nga Dan/Deun (Gang wa dun)
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Post by lachinatown on Jul 20, 2014 10:18:08 GMT -5
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Post by amy on Jul 22, 2014 23:33:58 GMT -5
Thank you, laohuaqiao. I haven't had time to go to the Tiling Association in Brooklyn yet. But I will one of these days and will certainly report back to the group.
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