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Patrick
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林双 Jun 24, 2014 7:59:02 GMT -5

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Post by Patrick on Jun 24, 2014 7:59:02 GMT -5

林

双

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[url=http://postimage.org/][img]http://s27.postimg.org/k8e280s33/image.jpg[/img][/url] [br] [br]My Chinese ancestor is called Jemmy Song by English and French speaking persons. But above is his signature with Chinese characters. It has been written in 1870 and I have scanned his signature to find the correct pronunciation. [br]He is said to be born in Amoy in 1831. He died in Noumea in 1883.

lachinatown Moderator Posts: 1,224	林双 Jun 25, 2014 21:58:59 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by lachinatown on Jun 25, 2014 21:58:59 GMT -5 Patrick, the first time I heard of New Caledonia was when I watched McHale's Navy. I like the Chinese font you used above.

Patrick Member Posts: 19	林双 Jun 26, 2014 6:31:55 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Patrick on Jun 26, 2014 6:31:55 GMT -5 And before your post I didn't knew McHale's Navy ... Thanks to you I have discovered it. Well it must be a funny caricature.
	[url=http://postimage.org/][img]http://s27.postimg.org/k8e280s33/image.jpg[/img][/url] [br] [br]My Chinese ancestor is called Jemmy Song by English and French speaking persons. But above is his signature with Chinese characters. It has been written in 1870 and I have scanned his signature to find the correct pronunciation. [br]He is said to be born in Amoy in 1831. He died in Noumea in 1883.

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林双 Jun 27, 2014 8:51:15 GMT -5

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Post by lachinatown on Jun 27, 2014 8:51:15 GMT -5

Patrick, us old timers like to use the traditional Chinese.
Lin Shuang 林双 (Simplified Chinese) = 林雙 (Traditional Chinese)
林 means: forest; woods; grove; circles; forestry.
雙 means: two; twin; both; dual; <measure> pair; even; double.

Patrick
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林双 Jun 28, 2014 9:20:22 GMT -5

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Post by Patrick on Jun 28, 2014 9:20:22 GMT -5

Hello LAChinatown !

I prefer traditional characters too.
But this is really my ancestor signature found on an official French document of New Caledonia and dated year 1870. A long time before official simplification in the 1950's.
Would it be an "Amoy/Taiwan character" ?
I have only scanned the original signature.

[url=http://postimage.org/][img]http://s27.postimg.org/k8e280s33/image.jpg[/img][/url] [br] [br]My Chinese ancestor is called Jemmy Song by English and French speaking persons. But above is his signature with Chinese characters. It has been written in 1870 and I have scanned his signature to find the correct pronunciation. [br]He is said to be born in Amoy in 1831. He died in Noumea in 1883.

lachinatown Moderator Posts: 1,224	林双 Jun 28, 2014 10:31:41 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by lachinatown on Jun 28, 2014 10:31:41 GMT -5 That was my question. Also the space between the left and right parts of the characters is questionable. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can clarify this.

Patrick
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林双 Jul 8, 2014 16:51:53 GMT -5

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Post by Patrick on Jul 8, 2014 16:51:53 GMT -5

I've found this ancient chùo character on zhongwen.com

One more :

叕
zhuó

www.yellowbridge.com/chinese/character-stroke-order.php?word=叕

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[url=http://postimage.org/][img]http://s27.postimg.org/k8e280s33/image.jpg[/img][/url] [br] [br]My Chinese ancestor is called Jemmy Song by English and French speaking persons. But above is his signature with Chinese characters. It has been written in 1870 and I have scanned his signature to find the correct pronunciation. [br]He is said to be born in Amoy in 1831. He died in Noumea in 1883.

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林双 Jul 14, 2014 21:27:21 GMT -5

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Post by laohuaqiao on Jul 14, 2014 21:27:21 GMT -5

(1) Lin 林 is a very popular surname in southern Fujian.

(2) Many simplified characters originated from "shorthands" that people have used for hundreds, if not thousands of years. 双 is one of them.

(3) 双 in Amoy dialect may sound like 'Song', perhaps that's where the name Jemmy Song came from.

(4) Judging from the signature, Jemmy Song was not an educated (in Chinese) man. He could have memorized writing his name as 木 above 又 and then repeat.

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林双 Jul 15, 2014 6:05:43 GMT -5

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Post by tyuti1668 on Jul 15, 2014 6:05:43 GMT -5

Jul 14, 2014 21:27:21 GMT -5 laohuaqiao said:

(3) 双 in Amoy dialect may sound like 'Song', perhaps that's where the name Jemmy Song came from...

General rule of name in Hokkien = Surname (白讀) + Given Name (文讀)
Acoording to alt.reasoning.cs.ucla.edu/jinbo/dzl/lookup.php 雙: Sang1 / Song1
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Tone 1 /4 (p,t,k,h) tieba.baidu.com/p/1440239155 shares the SAME format.
140.111.34.28/holodict_new/result_detail.jsp?n_no=12690&curpage=1&sample=%E9%9B%99&radiobutton=1&querytarget=1&limit=20&pagenum=2&rowcount=29
140.111.34.28/holodict_new/cuankho.jsp?no=227

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Post by Patrick on Jun 26, 2014 6:31:55 GMT -5

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Post by Patrick on Jun 28, 2014 9:20:22 GMT -5

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Post by laohuaqiao on Jul 14, 2014 21:27:21 GMT -5

Post by tyuti1668 on Jul 15, 2014 6:05:43 GMT -5