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Post by hendrasp on Aug 19, 2015 22:32:29 GMT -5
Dear all,
I need information for my generation poem 俞 (yu / Djie) clan, Can you help me to find it?. my Family lived in Indonesia since my grand father. I'm third generation who live in indonesia and now confuse about name for my son. Please help me! thank you.
Hendra SP
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Post by philiptancl on Aug 20, 2015 3:43:04 GMT -5
Hi Hendrasp, Related to generation names or poem, can you please read the posting I had just posted at: siyigenealogy.proboards.com/thread/2261/yi-family-name-anxi-fujianYou need to know your ancestral place that your ancestor(s) in China originated from to determine the particular one that apply to your particular Yu(俞)clan which you belong to. Philip Tan
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Post by hendrasp on Aug 20, 2015 4:56:23 GMT -5
Dear Mr Philip Tan, Unfortunately, I Didn't know ancentral place where My sure name belongs... what should I do next? Please Advice... thank you
Hendra SP
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Post by philiptancl on Aug 20, 2015 10:15:09 GMT -5
Hi Hendrasp,
The following are potential sources for your search:
1. The gravestones of your ancestors or your Yu (俞) clan relatives (however distant) who had passed away. They could record the ancestral place.
2. Search out old letters that your ancestors or any of your Yu (俞) relatives (however distant) had corresponded with counterparts in China.
3. Old documents left by any of your relatives. Do search out any written papers or written records that your grandfather may had left behind for his descendants. I have come across people showing me such documents without realizing it contains details of their ancestral places in China and names of their ancestors. Sometime ancestors may write down ancestral details (in Chinese) to pass on for future generations but very often descendants think they are worthless pieces of papers and would discard them. Just in 2014, a friend (who is the 5th generation here in Malaysia) showed me a piece of paper his great grandfather left behind. In it was written the ancestral details (including the ancestral hall they belonged to) and the ancestral village his family originated from. With the information provided, he took his parents and a cousin a couple of months ago to seek out his roots. He not only met up with his distant relatives but brought back their recently updated ancestral records that included the name of his great grandfather.
4. Talk to your relatives (however distant) as they may know some of these information.
5. If you or your relatives still have ancestral tablets/photos for veneration during anniversary of their deaths, there may be information written on them or genealogy information concealed within compartments in the ancestral tablets.
6. When did your grandfather settle in Indonesia? Sometimes people from the same ancestral village in China would go to the same foreign place initially. I am of the third generation in Malaysia and I could count at least 10 other people (not necessary of the same surname) who first came to the same place in Malaysia where my grandfather had settled and where I was raised.
Philip Tan
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Post by hendrasp on Aug 21, 2019 1:18:58 GMT -5
Dear Philip Tan Finally I found ancentral place Province Hokkian, city hokjia and the village 南門外下橋村 Can you help me to find my generation poem 俞 (yu)? Thanks Hendra SP
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Post by philiptancl on Aug 21, 2019 10:37:11 GMT -5
Hi Hendra, I suppose Hokjia is Fuqing (福清) and 南門 is South Gate. If my guess is correct, I suppose the location of your ancestral village could be as indicated on the maps below. I do not have the surnames reference book (which could contain generation poems of various clans of various surnames there) for that county where Fuqing (福清) is located. You either need to go there personally to search for your surname clan ancestral records or engage someone to do that on your behalf. Once you find it, hopefully you could find you ancestor name in the zupu/jiapu, then establish the generation you are in and see which is your generation name within the generation poem (if there is one). Philip Tan
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