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Post by chujun on Dec 16, 2016 19:16:06 GMT -5
大家好! My name is Sarah, and I just stumbled across this forum today. I'll post the introduction of my genealogy story in the relevant folder, but I wanted to pop in here to say that one of my man areas of research is the wave of Chinese students that came to the United States between 1900-1945, so if you think/know your ancestors studied in a US university during that time, I bet I have some information for you. :-)
- 徐珊珊
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Post by amy on Dec 16, 2016 23:51:37 GMT -5
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Post by chujun on Dec 17, 2016 9:19:03 GMT -5
I haven't, but that is great! C. C. Wang is one of the big hitters in my research, so to speak. I will contact him.
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Post by genekl on Mar 1, 2017 13:19:56 GMT -5
Hello Sarah,
What great news giving me hope for success. I have been trying for years to trace the details of my paternal grandfather who was a scholar but died of illness after the scholarship lapsed. I have seen photos of several batches of students with their names but none matched. I have also looked at lists of scholars names stating district and province of origin, and immigrant landing records, city death records but again nothing matched.
If you can possibly give me more leads, his names were 陳殷大 and 陳錫三 or 陳適三 from Guangdong Taishan.
GeneKL (Chan)
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Post by liuyao on Apr 8, 2017 10:06:49 GMT -5
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Post by genekl on Apr 24, 2017 4:21:32 GMT -5
Hi Sarah, any updates, how's your research going?
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Post by chujun on Oct 24, 2017 15:17:07 GMT -5
Heh, that's my blog, liuyao! :-D
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Post by chujun on Oct 24, 2017 15:24:58 GMT -5
Genekl - do you have an English name, school, or year of attendance for your grandfather?
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Post by douglaslam on Oct 25, 2017 7:36:27 GMT -5
I am a very, very ordinary performer. But, it always fills me with pride when I read stories of Boxer Indemnity Scholars. I am sure there were equally brilliant female minds who were overlooked for the opportunity to study abroad. It is sad and unfair. The late author Iris Chang had a great story on a very famous Boxer Indemnity Scholar, one 錢學森 Qian Xuesen / Hsue-shen Tsien, often referred to as the father of China's rocket program. I can honestly say I could not put the book down when I was reading it many years ago. While I was in China earlier in the month doing field work on genealogy searches, I was presented with this genealogy book of the Owyong clan in Daliang village, Chungshan. In the book, there are many illustrious Owyongs through the ages. There was one who graduated from Harvard in the same year as Theodore Roosevelt. The two got on very well. Owyang had influenced Theodore Roosevelt in implementing the scholarship scheme which rarely gets a mention. This is the Owyang genealogy book. I was very much honoured and provileged to be presented with a copy. On this page, it says in a street barely 100 metres long, in five generations it produced four diplomats, six doctorates, five master and fifty-two bachelor degree holders. There was one who married into the clan Faith Sai So Leong, the first woman of Chinese-American heritage to qualify as a dentist. www.drbicuspid.com/index.aspx?sec=ser&sub=def&pag=dis&ItemID=314841Faith Sai So died while trying to save her son in a motor accident. Her remains were returned for burial in the village. When land was needed for development, the villagers stood their ground and would not allow her grave be disturbed. It is a moving story. This is the page showing Owyang and Theodore Roosevelt's close friendship. This is the 85 years old former school master and editor of the genealogy book. I truly felt humble standing next to him. He was kind, patient, knowledgeable and most forthcoming in extending help to me. The old master pointed out a glaring error in the information I was given and went on to identify the correct personage in the book. The one in the black T-shirt is a village office worker who took me to see the old master. I tried to turn down his generous gift of the book, but he was very insistent. It was a great honour. I didn't feel I have the right to one. I accepted it with thanks and gratitude but I'll forward it to the person for whom I was making the call.
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Post by chujun on Oct 25, 2017 11:05:13 GMT -5
I am a very, very ordinary performer. But, it always fills me with pride when I read stories of Boxer Indemnity Scholars. I am sure there were equally brilliant female minds who were overlooked for the opportunity to study abroad. It is sad and unfair. The late author Iris Chang had a great story on a very famous Boxer Indemnity Scholar, one 錢學森 Qian Xuesen / Hsue-shen Tsien, often referred to as the father of China's rocket program. I can honestly say I could not put the book down when I was reading it many years ago. Actually, there were several high-achieving female students in the Boxer cohorts, more than I expected when I started my research! But, you're right, they were mostly men. Amazing story! I will have to read that book!
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Post by douglaslam on Oct 26, 2017 6:27:10 GMT -5
I had no idea female scholars were in the mix. I certainly did not expect it as women were seldom allowed to excel in studies. Thanks for alerting me.
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Post by genekl on Oct 26, 2017 11:51:53 GMT -5
Genekl - do you have an English name, school, or year of attendance for your grandfather? @ Chujun : I can only guess from a few stories I heard. My father was born in 1907 and joined grandfather in the USA when he was 16 by which time grandfather's studies had already long ended abruptly for reportedly political reasons (1911?). So that means he was a student in the early 1900's? After that he worked a short time at a Chinese newspaper in San Francisco (his major was Journalism), then went to do menial work at the "Delta Chinese community" in Mississippi. He caught cholera or typhoid and stayed with relatives in Chicago until he succumbed and died in his 30's a few months after my father arrived. I cannot find anything in the Cook County Illinois registry of births and deaths. I don't have more information at the moment. I certainly hope it is not a family fable, although I really don't think so many relatives anything to gain by making it all up. Unfortunately, all relatives in the USA who had more details have passed away, including my father, and I am not in contact with people in our ancestral village which I did visit once many years ago. Some cousins occupied grandfather's house and one of the elderly said he was grandfather's retainer, a boy who ran errands and took care of daily needs. Thank you so much for your interest in documenting the history of these scholars. Even if I can't get further in my search, others will benefit so much and I too will enjoy the stories of these pioneers.
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Post by chujun on Nov 1, 2017 11:31:13 GMT -5
Genekl - do you have an English name, school, or year of attendance for your grandfather? @ Chujun : I can only guess from a few stories I heard. My father was born in 1907 and joined grandfather in the USA when he was 16 by which time grandfather's studies had already long ended abruptly for reportedly political reasons (1911?). So that means he was a student in the early 1900's? After that he worked a short time at a Chinese newspaper in San Francisco (his major was Journalism), then went to do menial work at the "Delta Chinese community" in Mississippi. He caught cholera or typhoid and stayed with relatives in Chicago until he succumbed and died in his 30's a few months after my father arrived. I cannot find anything in the Cook County Illinois registry of births and deaths. I don't have more information at the moment. I certainly hope it is not a family fable, although I really don't think so many relatives anything to gain by making it all up. Unfortunately, all relatives in the USA who had more details have passed away, including my father, and I am not in contact with people in our ancestral village which I did visit once many years ago. Some cousins occupied grandfather's house and one of the elderly said he was grandfather's retainer, a boy who ran errands and took care of daily needs. Thank you so much for your interest in documenting the history of these scholars. Even if I can't get further in my search, others will benefit so much and I too will enjoy the stories of these pioneers. This is tricky. If he was a student in the early 1900s, then he wouldn't have been a Boxer Indemnity Scholar. And if your father was born in China in 1907, that implies that your grandfather had studied in the US before 1907, returned to China, then gone back to the US sometime between 1907 and 1923 and begun working. He would have been 19 or so in 1907. This opens up a lot of possibilities - was he in high school in the US? Was he part of a religious mission? I assume he went to UC Berkeley, but he could have gone to Stanford as well. So exciting! I'll keep digging.
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Post by genekl on Nov 2, 2017 5:27:29 GMT -5
Good to have someone help with my slow thinking! My father had only one sibling, a younger brother born 2 years later, so maybe Grandfather left immediately after "doing his duty"? Could he have been in a batch from 1909-1911? Family legend says he went to Harvard but it might have been some other east coast institution. BTW, here is my previous awkward start: siyigenealogy.proboards.com/thread/1632/harvard-boxer-rebellion-scholarsA search of Google images with 庚子賠款獎學金 shows some interesting photos. I'll keep looking just in case.
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Post by genekl on Nov 2, 2017 8:15:00 GMT -5
My grandfather was said to have passed the imperial examinations so I wonder whether he was a Qing Dynasty employee or indebted to the government of the time? Were many reparation candidates not Qing sponsored? Our village area was not missionary influenced as far as I know. It is said he could not go back to China for political reasons. Maybe the victorious KMT student factions kicked out the Qing supporters?
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