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Post by bernie on Dec 14, 2018 1:04:33 GMT -5
I have a place (name) where my Great Grandfather is from but I do not know if it exists today with the name. The only information I have is Man Ning Chong, Sheung Kok, SunNing District. My Great Grandfather returned to China in March 1923 from Hawai'i. Does anyone know of these places. Any information would be very greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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Post by tyuti1668 on Dec 14, 2018 6:26:15 GMT -5
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Post by bernie on Dec 14, 2018 13:14:23 GMT -5
Thank you for the link but unfortunately Man Ning Chong does not exist. I feel I have hit a road block :0( I don't even know the characters. He is from Sun Ning County but cannot locate Man Ning Chong...when my Great Grandfather was brought to China by his son, they stayed at Sheung Kok and in the interview question said his father is from Man Ning Chong (via an interpreter).
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Post by jasonwu on Dec 14, 2018 15:27:12 GMT -5
Hi bernie,
上閣 Sheung Kok refers to an area in the vicinity of a hill in southern 台山 Taishan County, whose old name was 新寧 Sunning County.
Here is a link to Google Satellite images of Sheung Kok: click here.
As tyuti1668 has suggested above, there is a Village Database for Taishan which does include villages in Sheung Kok; however, Man Ning Chong does not seem to show up in the list: click here.
The predominant clans in the area are the 陳 Chan's, 曾 Tsang's, and 阮 Yuen's, would any of these happen to be your family name?
Cheers,
Jason
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Post by Doug 周 on Dec 15, 2018 3:07:38 GMT -5
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Post by bernie on Dec 15, 2018 16:28:38 GMT -5
Thank you all for the informations. I will try that route. Unfortunately, Chan, Tsang, and Yuen are not my family name. My Great Grandfather's name is Dung Lung; Tung Loong (variations).
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Post by jasonwu on Dec 15, 2018 16:41:10 GMT -5
Hi Bernie,
Tsang is the Standard Cantonese pronunciation of the surname 曾. Dung/Tung would be the local pronunciation in the Taishan dialect.
According to the Village Database, there are 26 Tsang/Dung villages in Sheung Kok; it is possible that Man Ning Chong is an alternative name for one of these villages or that Man Ning Chong is a smaller hamlet that was omitted in this list:
車邊 / Chair Bin (曾 / Tsang)
陳沖 / Chan Chung (曾 / Tsang)
長樂 / Cheung Lok (曾 / Tsang)
長安 / Cheung On (曾 / Tsang)
長挑 / Cheung Tiu (曾 / Tsang)
其樂 / Kay Lok (曾 / Tsang)
交牙 / Kow Ngar aka 南洋 / Nam Yeung (曾,趙 / Tsang, Jew)
美洋 / May Yeung (曾 / Tsang)
南溟 / Nam Ming (曾,陳 / Tsang, Chan)
那馬 / Nor Ma (陳,黃,曾 / Chan, Wong, Tsang)
安寧 / On Ning aka 龍慶 / Lung Hing (陳,曾 / Chan, Tsang)
北洋 / Pak Yeung (曾 / Tsang)
北洋新 / Pak Yeung Sun (曾 / Tsang)
三樂 / Sam Lok (曾 / Tsang)
三省堂 / Sam Sang Tong (曾 / Tsang)
山后 / Shan Hou (曾 / Tsang)
鼠山 / Shu Shan (曾 / Tsang)
大三 / Tai Sam (曾 / Tsang)
鼎新 / Ting Sun (曾 / Tsang)
曾邊 / Tsang Bin (曾 / Tsang)
東安 / Tung On (曾 / Tsang)
東平 / Tung Ping (曾 / Tsang)
和槍角舊 / Wo Cheong Kok Kau (陳,曾,黎,陸 / Chan, Tsang, Lai, Luk)
和槍角新 / Wo Cheong Kok Sun (陳,曾,黎,陸 / Chan, Tsang, Lai, Luk)
和樂 / Wo Lok (曾 / Tsang)
和平 / Wo Ping (曾 / Tsang)
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Post by bernie on Dec 16, 2018 14:38:02 GMT -5
Thank you. I will research the information.
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Post by bernie on Dec 25, 2018 16:16:01 GMT -5
I am wondering if it is the below because Man Ning Chong (as written by interpreter) could probably be Nam Ming Chan. It's a shot but I have a hunch this might be it. Do you think I'm reading too much into this? I had to step away for a few days only to return to this sight and this came to me.
台山 / Toishan 3 上閣鄉 / Sheung Kok Heung (44 villages) 南溟 / Nam Ming (曾,陳 / Tsang, Chan)
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Post by jasonwu on Dec 26, 2018 12:52:19 GMT -5
Hi bernie, Good observation - I haven't thought of that possibility but it definitely seems like that's worth investigating. Any letters or headstones that can confirm the village location?
Futhermore, the word 沖 Chong may refer to a "stream" or "canal," which is commonly used in Taishanese place names; or, it may be another word lost in translation because it sounds a lot like 村 Choon, which is Taishanese for "village." Here is the information for 南溟村 Nam Ming Choon, complete with a map ( link). Most neighbouring villages are ones that were previously mentioned and share the Tsang clan name.
Cheers,
Jason
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Post by gckimm on Dec 26, 2018 17:38:15 GMT -5
Hi:
Nam Ming is a good guess but there is really no way to know for sure without more evidence. As for "Chong," it is possible that it is a Romanization of the word 莊 (simplified character = 庄), pronounced "jong" in Cantonese. It means "village" or "hamlet." It is not an official administrative division in modern China but it is possible that villagers in former times could have used this word when speaking of their home.
Greg
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