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Post by trevor on Feb 7, 2019 22:52:35 GMT -5
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Post by tyuti1668 on Feb 8, 2019 5:26:27 GMT -5
Nothing wrong there, many local Chungshan dialect lacks "F" sound.
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Post by gckimm on Feb 10, 2019 14:32:20 GMT -5
Hi: I suggest DNA testing, which is very popular today. If you happen to have European ancestry in some other branch of your family (not connected to Hong Quan), it would probably be less confusing to encourage testing by another descendant of Hong Quan who has no other known European ancestors. If that person ends up with some small percentage of European DNA, then it is likely that it comes from Hong Quan. --Greg
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Post by trevor on Feb 10, 2019 19:53:23 GMT -5
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Post by trevor on Aug 7, 2019 17:26:24 GMT -5
I went to Hong Quon's grave today. I don't know how legible this is. Can somebody translate this?
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Post by FayChee on Aug 7, 2019 20:56:24 GMT -5
I used Google Translate and got "Tomb of Jian chu gong"............can someone confirm? is 'gong' same as 'Hong'? 'Jian' may be his generational name....... 建初公之墓 Jian chu gong zhi mu Fay Chee
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peripatus2000
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Post by peripatus2000 on Aug 8, 2019 8:39:38 GMT -5
On quick inspecting the name in the central column is Fung Kin Cho 馮建初. The full translation is "Mr Fung Kin Chor's grave". I presume "Hong" may be the Zhongshan dialect pronunciation of Hong, but please rely on someone with better knowledge than me. The right column appears to state date of death as December of Mingguo 11 (that is, 1922). The left column is too indistinct to read. You could try do a gravestone rubbing to bring out the characters for clearly.
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Post by trevor on Aug 9, 2019 0:20:57 GMT -5
Thank you FayChee and peripatus2000.
公 refers to grandfather.
At this moment I'm actually talking to a relative from China that would know something about our family.
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Post by wonton916 on Aug 9, 2019 20:16:28 GMT -5
Sunken eyes can be an Austronesian trait from Southern tribal ancestors of Guangdong, there no such thing how a "Chinese" should look like. There is a lot of phenotypical diversity in China and Guangdong itself. The uniting factor is the paternal line is mostly Northern Chinese from Central Plains region like Henan, Shanxi, Shaanxi, etc.
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Post by tyuti1668 on Aug 9, 2019 21:39:09 GMT -5
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Post by trevor on Sept 5, 2019 13:44:02 GMT -5
Hong Quon had a brother, Hong Ming who stayed in Hawaii for about 9 years. His 2 sons were born in Hawaii and resettled after his death in 1890.
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Post by cdnheadtaxdata on Sept 14, 2019 6:20:22 GMT -5
The left column reads: 崇禮堂立 translated as "Established by Shun Li Tong" meaning "This grave maker is erected by the Shun Li Family Hall" 崇禮 means "Up Holding (崇) the Virtue of Rites(禮)", or "Honouring the Rites".
The Name of Shun Li Hall should be helpful to trace the roots of the Fung (Hong) family from Guhe Village in ZhongSan.
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Post by Henry on Sept 14, 2019 11:14:40 GMT -5
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Post by tyuti1668 on Sept 15, 2019 3:59:04 GMT -5
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Post by trevor on Oct 10, 2019 12:31:56 GMT -5
My relative in New Orleans sent me this. It shows her familyline in relation to mine. I'm descended from Hong Quon.
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