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Post by gckimm on Feb 16, 2019 13:37:31 GMT -5
Hi Patty:
As I said, changes in China are difficult to track! I just found that in 2002 Ngai Sai Town 崖西鎮 and Ngai Nam Town 崖南鎮 merged to become Ngai Moon Town 崖門鎮. So Ngai Moon is where you want to look. However, I still can't find any reference to Sam Chuen that proves it is still an official separate entity. There is a Sam Chuen School in the area, which probably uses the old name of the village. It might be that the government calls it something else now but the villagers still refer to it by the old name.
Greg
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Post by Henry on Feb 16, 2019 14:34:54 GMT -5
PattyL, Greg just demonstrated that finding a village is sometimes more that seeking a village on a map. Greg, because he is Chinese literate, he was able to search online and come up with information that is usually found in a gazetteer - nice going Greg. Based upon Greg's information and also on the cover of the Sam Chuen publication: 主办单位：新会市崖西甜水村 主办单位：organizer 新会市 Xinhui / Sunwui city 崖西 Ngai Sai / Yaxi 甜水村 Tim Sui / Tian Shiu You have identified the location of Sancun - just east of Xinhui downtown - in the wrong location. I have included the following 3 maps to help you orient yourself:    I believe that Sancun / Sam Chuen 三村 is probably part of 甜水村 Tim Sui/Tian Shiu village cluster of smaller villages & hamlets that include Sam Chuen / Sancun village, administered under Ngai Sai / Yaxi town, based upon the address on the Sam Chuen publication 新会市崖西甜水村. If you want to contact the village chief to confirm this is the correct ancestral village, and try to find your village relatives, and possibly a copy of your village genealogy book and visit your ancestral village - this is all included in the Overseas Chinese Genealogy Workshop - Nov 2019. Henry |
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Post by PattyL on Feb 16, 2019 15:58:17 GMT -5
Henry (and Greg),
These maps are much more detailed. Thank you!
I am going to go with your expertise in describing the levels of changes here. I did follow the Sancun found by LAChinatown, but the with the complicated geographic changes, I am probably overthinking how Sancun/Sam Chuen could be found in two places. Your reasoning is logical. I'll go with the Tim Sui theory.
And that was my next post I was considering. How do I confirm my family is indeed from this village and make contact. I will start looking at these things per your recommendations.
In my 3rd gen very limited language skills, I can at least extend my gratitude in both English and tong wa.
Thank you!
多謝！
dō zé!
Please advise anything further you think I should pursue. I will work on the rest.
Patty
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Post by Henry on Feb 16, 2019 17:31:57 GMT -5
PattyL During the past China workshop during Nov 2018 - I, assisted by Jason Wu - who did all the necessary online gazetteer searches for ancestral villages - done in the same manner that Greg did. We located 43 villages that were to be researched and 50 people were driven to their ancestral village - each by a bi-lingual guide, a Wuyi University student, escorted in your own car & driver, for up to 2 days of visiting ancestral villages - depending on the number of villages were asked researched. I researched and sent in the village map location with a completed roots searching form with information about their ancestor(s)from the requester. The bi-lingual guide is also the same person that traveled to the ancestral village to interview the village chief & village relatives to correctly identify & verify that it was your ancestral village. To determine if there is a village genealogy book that had the names of your ancestors - if so, a copy of the village genealogy book would be bought, copied or scanned [ a computer file is compiled with the Chinese names of your ancestors in cascading father-son pedigree lineage, takes photos of the village relatives, ancestral house, village gate, and ancestral hall - if there is one. Then a detailed village report is made and sent to you - all done prior to your arrival & visit. This ensures that your visit to your ancestral village is productive & successful. Also, there may be suggestions about what you may want to do when you visit, paying respects in the ancestral home, or at the village cemetery, or at the ancestral hall. The researcher will also answer your questions about your forthcoming visit. Taking out your village relatives out for lunch and/or dinner, etc. For three days prior to your ancestral village visits, you will spend 3 days of morning tours and afternoon cultural immersions into rural village life, just how your parents or ancestors lived it, you will see singing, dancing, cooking, crafts, cultural traditions, etc & you can also join in. This truly acclimates you for your village visit. If you attend the Chinese American Genealogy Workshop in Las Vegas, June 23 - 27, 2019, you will learn so much - so you will have a better understanding and appreciation for your Chinese ancestry, and also help you prepare for your trip in Nov. 2019. Announcement attached. One lady who attended the China workshop with a rather skeptical viewpoint about her heritage & lineage - returned from this trip and started a blog - about her, click on "About CY ": www.cchange-blog.com/Henry |
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Post by Henry on Feb 16, 2019 18:01:29 GMT -5
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Post by Henry on Feb 16, 2019 22:00:57 GMT -5
PattyL, I believe this is your ancestral village of Sancun / Sam Chuen 三村  The bar scale shows a distance of a 100 meters Henry |
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Post by michellelau on Apr 28, 2019 1:21:51 GMT -5
Hi Greg, Henry and Patty,
Thank you so much for you insight. I have been searching for Sam Chuen for some time and despite having the Chinese characters, was not having much luck. I would never have been able to figure this out without the help of people like yourselves who have a much better grasp of the Chinese language than I do.
Michelle
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