Kwong How Jung, 1882 Born in China

[Henry]

karebear,

From my experience, I have never seen the Chinese name of a paper son on the the gravestone of a paper son - it is usually the characters for his real Chinese name. Since your grandfather's gravestone was prepared by his father, your great grand father, he may have listed both the birth/milk names & the marriage names of your grandfather & great grandfather.

Even providing photos of the gravestones of your father's relative is not really going to help.

At this point, in order to clarify these kinship relationships - you are going to need the a copy of your Jung/Chung ancestral village genealogy book or a copy of the Jung/Chung clan genealogy book from the nearby Jung/Chung ancestral hall to your Sar Kong/Sha Gang ancestral village.

These slides below may help to clarify what Greg was talking about from my presentation that I give at the Chinese American genealogy workshops I organize:

Henry

[karebear]

I'm sorry.  Chinese genealogy is very complex.  I've been reading as much as I can to try and understand, but it's overwhelming. I don't understand why my GF would go by 2 names.

[karebear]

Thank you Henry

[lachinatown]

Now you removed both pictures of Mrs. Jung's headstone, karebear.
Zhong Li YuZhu 鍾李玉珠

[karebear]

[jeremychin]

Karebare,

I'm sure Henry gave you the coordinates? But if not: 22.055809, 112.917257. Your village is actually a little over 2 miles from my Grandfathers village!

- Jeremy

[gckimm]

Hi:

Every culture has different customs. In Chinese culture in former times, it was a custom for men to have more than one name. Some men had two, three, four or more, possibly including a name given at birth, a name used at home, a name used at school, a name taken at marriage, and a professional name. Yes, that is confusing when one is doing genealogical research, but that was the custom. Names were chosen or taken at different times in a man's life and he could have been known by all of those names.

"Shakie" looks to me like an American nickname. There is a story to that name but perhaps the story is unknown to anyone alive today. It sounds very southern, like a name other men in the American south would share. In my hometown of Bakersfield, CA--not in the American south but full of people who originally came from Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Texas during the Dust Bowl era--there used to be a pizza parlor known as "Shakey's."

From the information you have provided, I don't see any reason to believe that one of your relatives had a "paper name." Their Chinese surname was Jung (sometimes spelled "Chung") and they used it. A "paper name" would be a false personal name or surname adopted for the purpose of getting into the country during the period when most Chinese people were not allowed to enter the U.S. (1882-1943).

I hope you persevere in searching for your roots and do not become discouraged by all the complexity of Chinese genealogy. It is a very rich area of study that can also be very rewarding.

Greg

[karebear]

Thank you Greg for explaining. I was frustrated, but I will persevere.

[karebear]

This was on the other side of Kwong How Jung's headstone.  Can someone confirm that it matches what's on his son's, Shakie Suey Jung, headstone please?

[lachinatown]

No new information.