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Post by helen on Jan 1, 2006 7:18:48 GMT -5
I'm researching the Chinese who migrated from this Southern Canton area to New Zealand. Does some one have the map for this area?
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Post by Woodson on Jan 1, 2006 11:23:28 GMT -5
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Post by helen on Jan 1, 2006 15:26:18 GMT -5
Thanks Woodson - Will have to wait for my Chinese reading person to show me the places I am looking for.
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Post by helen on Jan 2, 2006 2:57:28 GMT -5
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Post by twoupman on Jan 2, 2006 11:56:13 GMT -5
The name of the city (not province) Helen is looking for is called Zengcheng/Jang Sihng which is located east of Guangzhou (Canton) and north of Dongguan/Dung Gun city. This area can be found on a Guangzhou map. The two villages she is researching are called Xinjie/Sun Gaai and Xiaji/Ha Gei. Helen I have a map of this area and would be glad to provide you with a scanned image if you so desire.
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Post by helen on Jan 3, 2006 3:33:17 GMT -5
Thanks Twoupman. I get confused with the new spelling - stuck in my Cantonese ways... Do you know much about Ha Gei Chans? I have interviewed family members of about 30 men who left there about 1890s and others who came upto 1950s, to come to New Zealand. My mother in law is about 90, and her Uncle is the same age, so I have been luck to get a lot of information. There are a few famous descendants from the Ha Gei village. The other Village I am researching is the Gwalian (sp) Village of Wongs. These villages surround the market place of Bak Shek. (White Stone?)
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Post by twoupman on Jan 3, 2006 16:12:05 GMT -5
Xinjie/San Gaai means "new street" and Xiaji/Ha Gei means "lower base". My map does not show Gwalian but it does show Baishi/Baak Sehk (white rock). I use Yale Romanization for the Cantonese pronunciation in case it is confusing to you.
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Post by helen on Jan 8, 2006 3:57:33 GMT -5
Thanks twoupman - I think there is a place called "upper base" as well, near Ha Gei - As far as I can work out Ha Gei is an island in the Pearl Delta, inhabited by the Chan Family. I have become the NZ expert of the people from this village. We plan a village gathering of NZers later this year.
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Post by twoupman on Jan 8, 2006 14:57:57 GMT -5
Xiaji/Ha Gei is an island as you said. BTW, I have scanned the map of Zengcheng/Jang Sihng but there does not seem to be a way to attach it to this post. If you will provide an e-mail address I will be glad to PM it to you. It is all in Chinese only, so you will have to ask someone to read it for you.
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Post by Woodson on Jan 9, 2006 0:38:09 GMT -5
BTW, I have scanned the map of Zengcheng/Jang Sihng but there does not seem to be a way to attach it to this post. It is kind of round about. You have to upload it to an online storage (most isp provide free disc space), from the icons above click on the one with the globe, and enter the web address between the two square brackets. |
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Post by helen on Jan 9, 2006 0:40:47 GMT -5
Thanks - I received it. My husband Lap Chi said that his Gwalian Wong village is a 10 minute walk from the Wong Village of Sartow - so it must have been the overflow from the bigger village!! My 3 children were there a few days ago, searching for their roots. They were luck to find some older people who could take them direct to the family home.
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Post by helen on Jan 9, 2006 0:42:44 GMT -5
Hullo Woodson - I have also seen the area on google earth - so now I have a better understanding of where it is in the scheme of things
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Post by twoupman on Jan 9, 2006 12:09:22 GMT -5
Helen, on the map I PM'd you (same as the one referred to by Raymond) you will find Sa Tauh (your Sha Tow) is just NE of Ha Gei but is quite aways (~4.5km) east of Baak Sehk (white rock). So, Gwalian (what does it mean?) is closer to Sa Tauh than Baak Sehk. My map does not show Seuhng Gei (upper base). As you can see Chinese maps vary, they show villages and yet not others.
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Post by helen on Jan 11, 2006 0:36:32 GMT -5
Gua lian = "Melon Hill?" - my husband says it is the over flow village from the Wong village of Sa Tauh= "Sand Head" !! His cousin married a Lui from Kun Foo - (? lake) any idea where that is?
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Post by twoupman on Jan 11, 2006 11:06:37 GMT -5
Gun Wuh/Guanhu (Kun Foo) which means Official (as in a government employee) Lake is located west of Sun Gaai/Xinjie and is shown on the map. Gua maybe "melon" but as for Lian, maybe it is Lihng/Ling for a "ridge"? If someone knows the Chinese characters it would be helpful. Anyway, it is not on my map. BTW, there is another Baak Seui/Baishui (white water) in the middle of the district and Baak Sehk (white rock) in the far NE corner.
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