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Post by helen on Jan 12, 2006 1:57:52 GMT -5
Great stuff twoupman... The play on words is great. Gualian may be melon ridge - but is apparently small, but never mind. There are 5 lineages of Wongs - my husband is from no 2 line.
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Post by helen on Jan 13, 2006 3:04:06 GMT -5
Does any one know a village in Zengcheng called "Waan Ham " or "Waa Harm" Maybe a Wong Village in the South of Canton. Does anyone have a village map of the area - from the past? My friend reckons there were 400 villages in the area.
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Post by helen on Jan 21, 2006 4:26:43 GMT -5
Chinese town takes shape on goldfields This message has been moved to the news links section. In future please start a new thread for messages not related to the topic.
Thanks you for your co-operation.
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Post by Sydney on Mar 4, 2006 6:58:47 GMT -5
Gun Wuh/Guanhu (Kun Foo) which means Official (as in a government employee) Lake is located west of Sun Gaai/Xinjie and is shown on the map. Gua maybe "melon" but as for Lian, maybe it is Lihng/Ling for a "ridge"? If someone knows the Chinese characters it would be helpful. Anyway, it is not on my map. BTW, there is another Baak Seui/Baishui (white water) in the middle of the district and Baak Sehk (white rock) in the far NE corner. Would you be able to identify Baak Sehk village by grid numbers or maybe somehow identify it as I can't read chinese. Thanks.
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Post by Woodson on Mar 4, 2006 20:49:38 GMT -5
Which county is Baak Sehk village in? Certain names are very popular and pop up in many places.
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Post by twoupman on Mar 4, 2006 21:23:14 GMT -5
The Baak Sehk referred in my message is for Zengcheng located east of Guangzhou City. According to my map book it is at approximately 40deg LongitudeE and 23deg10min LatitudeN. I have since found these grids in the map book are not exactly accurate.
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Post by Sydney on Mar 6, 2006 7:32:29 GMT -5
Thank you for your information.
I have been told by a person who visited Bak Shek village (White Stone wall village) that it is approximately 1 hour by bus from Guangzhou City Zengcheng. He couldn't remember the exact direction. The village & the district is renowned for growing lychee fruit.
I'm interested in Bak Shek village as this was my great grandfather's village. He emigrated to Melbourne Victoria Australia in 1870's.
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Post by twoupman on Mar 6, 2006 21:04:30 GMT -5
Sydney, I have misquoted the coordinates for that Baak Sehk located in the southwest corner of Zengcheng, it should read 113deg38min E Longitude and 23deg10min N Latitude. Now to confuse you more, there is another Baak Sehk in the northeast corner at 113deg54min E Longitude and 23deg30min N Latitude. So you need to know in what direction your ancestral village lies from Zengcheng City. Lychees are grown in quite a large area within the Pearl River Delta region, so that is not a definitve marker for locating the village.
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Post by Raymond on Mar 7, 2006 16:42:57 GMT -5
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Post by helen on Mar 8, 2006 3:28:46 GMT -5
Sydney - my husbands maternal grandmother was from the Bak Shek you are talking about. Her parents had the shoe shop there. www.pnc.com.au/~chanmx/henry.htm This man is currently researching for the Tung Jung Associaltion, Wellington, 80th anniversary. He has a lot of information of this area. www.pnc.com.au/~chanmx/ and if you can read chinese - here is the Zeng Chen website www.zcic.gd.cn/
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Post by helen on Mar 8, 2006 4:06:14 GMT -5
Seventy-one kilometers east of Guangzhou City Proper along the National Highway No.324 is Zengcheng, which has a history stretching back over 1 800 years. It came into existence as a town as early as in the year 201 AD, the sixth year in the reign of Jian'an in the Eastern Han Dynasty (25-220 AD).
Ages ago there were only six towns in Guangzhou area, and when a new town was built, it was given the name Zengcheng, meaning "newly-added town". It was established as a city in 1993, with a population of about 896 000 (in 2000). The municipal government is located in Licheng Township, which means the City of Litchi in Chinese. Every year during the harvesting season of litchi, visitors throng to Zengcheng to try this delicious fruit, thus creating a temporary boom in tourism, so much so that in recent years, a litchi festival has been organized every July. The best of all varieties of litchi is the Zengcheng "Gualu", a local specialty. A gualu litchi was sold for 50 000 yuan in 2001 at an auction in Zengcheng, a record high in history. It has a dark red skin with traces of green. Zengcheng is also rich in natural resources, such as coal, magnetic iron, tungsten and limestone. Its urban construction is very eye catching. Tourist spots are:
Dayan (Wild-Goose) Pagoda built in the Ming Dynasty Gaotan Hot Spring Hexiangu (Fairy He) Temple Guhai (Ancient-Sea) Ruins The Amusement Park of Local Customs Xiancun International Golf Court (Club) The Utahloy Garden
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Post by SYDNEY on Mar 8, 2006 6:25:19 GMT -5
Helen & everyone, Thanks for all your info.
I met Henry Chan of Sydney in late 2004. At the time he said we would talk later (about Bak Shek) as his priority at the time was research for the 80th Anniversary of Tung Jung Association NZ.
Henry & I also found something else of common interest. His grandfather & my maternal grandfather "WONG" had seperate businesses to early 1930's in Wellington NSW AUSTRALIA.
Unfortunately, after 4 generations in Australia we have lost our ability to read & speak Chinese. I'll have to get my wife's assistance to translate.
Helen, are you also trying to put together your family history?
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Post by SYDNEY on Mar 8, 2006 16:39:42 GMT -5
I have been told the following info by Peter who visited Bak Shek a few years ago: "you are a Wong from Bak Shek village in Jungseng (Zengcheng), as Bak Shek village is only about an hour's bus ride from Guangzhou (Canton city. About 40 minutes by bus from Guangzhou to Sun Tong city (Xin Tin) and then about 15minutes by bus from Sun Tong to Bak Shek.
Twoupman, Does this info assist in determining which of the 2 Bak Shek's that you found, is probably family's village?
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Post by twoupman on Mar 8, 2006 16:49:24 GMT -5
Sydney,
Yes, your description has pinpointed it the Baak Sehk (White Rock) located at the SW corner of Zengcheng, that is, at 113deg38min E Longitude and 23deg10min N Latitude. It is just SE of Baak Seui (White Waters).
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Post by helenwong on Mar 9, 2006 5:14:07 GMT -5
Sydney - you are indeed a fellow Jungseng person. The same as Henry. I have been researching the Hargee Village, and hopefully will feature in Henry's book. I have interviewed many people from the village. I had a list of about 33 men's names, who left the Chan Village of Hargee in the late 1880s- 1930s - and have managed to track down namy of the descendants. Personally I am a Chan with a grandfather from Sa Chuen; My husband a Wong from Gualian. My Dad's cousins are from Baak Seui.
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