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Post by jmchan888 on Jul 24, 2009 18:01:53 GMT -5
Hi Gene,
I and many others appreciate your contribution to Chinese genealogy research. I tried to direct access your two websites by clicking on your two addresses, but it was not successful as a pop up window simply said "The Page was not found". I thought I write to let you know of the problem in connecting.
Because of Philip's kind heartedness, he connected my lineage to his and now I became part of a gigantic Chan family. Sorry to say but I haven't connected with Nelson Chin yet. I am elated to know that we are related. Thanks to Philip!
Wish you well.
Best regards,
John Chan
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Post by gene on Jul 24, 2009 21:36:51 GMT -5
Dear John, Thank you for letting me know the problem with the links to my sites. The problem is that the period (.) at the end of each link in Philip's post should not be included as part of the link. The following links work: www3.fitnyc.edu/gene_chin/tree/www3.fitnyc.edu/gene_chin/hoisanva/Philip will be getting more information soon from Henry's nephew so that your lineage will be more complete. Regards, Gene
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Post by jmchan888 on Jul 26, 2009 18:31:55 GMT -5
Hi Gene,
I was intrigued very much with your website. It was extremely informative, especially the section on the biographies of the different generations. Excellently done!
Can you tell me where you and Nelson are different in progenitors, i.e. where do you separate? Hence, I would most likely be the same as Nelson.
John
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Post by xuangxing on Nov 11, 2009 7:30:56 GMT -5
Members of this forum may not have noticed, but the various charts which I posted at the request of Philip Tan under this thread are now not being displayed. This is because the host site at which the charts were posted, Yahoo Geocities, have been closed since 26 October 2009. I am looking for an alternative hosting site and would upload the charts at the new site as soon as possible. Xuang Xing The charts are now hosted at a new site and are now displaying.
Xuang Xing
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Post by Woodson on Nov 14, 2009 17:29:26 GMT -5
Members of this forum may not have noticed, but the various charts which I posted at the request of Philip Tan under this thread are now not being displayed. This is because the host site at which the charts were posted, Yahoo Geocities, have been closed since 26 October 2009. I am looking for an alternative hosting site and would upload the charts at the new site as soon as possible. Xuang Xing Philip, Could you have him contact me and I'll host it on my site: legacy1.net/We can then link from there.
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Post by philiptancl on Jan 3, 2010 8:47:47 GMT -5
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Post by philiptancl on Jan 13, 2010 2:27:26 GMT -5
I refer to the chart entitled “Link of "Chén (陈/陳) Lineage with Progenitors of Surnames" posted by Xuangxing at Re: Chen/Tan/Chan/Chin (陈/陳) Clan « Reply #33 on Apr 9, 2009, 3:34am »and by me on at Re: Chen/Tan/Chan/Chin (陈/陳) Clan « Reply #32 on Apr 8, 2009, 1:43am »In the chart the pedigree line from Huáng Dì (黄å¸) to the first LÃn (æž—), LÃn (ZÇ) JiÄn {æž—(å)å …}, showed that there are 48 generations. This information was taken from "ZhÅng Huá Xìng Shì TÅng ShÇ: LÃn Xìng (ä¸åŽå§“æ°é€šå²: 林姓)" The ancestral village zupu "永春美山 æž—æ°å®¶æ—è°± 第五å·é¦¨æˆ¿ä¹‹ä»°æ³‰å…¬æ´¾å››æˆ¿ - 乾房 Published in 1996, 10th edition" for my nephew Stephen Lim Kee Soon (林纪顺) revealed that there should only be 34 generations instead of 48. This is also confirmed from the website at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_emperors_family_tree_(ancient)The difference in the number of generations arises because the brothers of some of the ancestors in the pedigree line were taken as part of the ancestors in the pedigree line as quoted in the reference "ZhÅng Huá Xìng Shì TÅng ShÇ: LÃn Xìng (ä¸åŽå§“æ°é€šå²: 林姓)". The Chart below illustrates why the difference arisen. Henry Tom had met Stephen Lim Kee Soon (林纪顺) on his trip to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia in August 2008 and the feature on him is at Page 3 in the four page article referred to be Henry in Re: Henry Tom Visit to Malaysia « Reply #12 on Sept 29, 2008, 1:32pmat siyigenealogy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=names&action=display&thread=796Stephen Lim is literate both in English and Chinese and is actively involved both in his ancestral village surname LÃn (æž—) as well as the general surname LÃn (æž—) clan association in Malaysia. I hope to persuade him to start the Lin/Lim/Lam/Ling (æž—) Clan thread in this Clan Progenitor References
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Post by philiptancl on Mar 6, 2010 9:46:56 GMT -5
Further to my posting on Re: Chen/Tan/Chan/Chin (陈/陳) Clan « Reply #51 on Jan 13, 2010, 2:27am » regarding Lim/Lin (林), the following chart was the preliminary one prepared by Lim Kee Soon starting from Huáng Dì (黄帝) to the first Lín (林), Lín (Zǐ) Jiān {林(子)堅}. From such a chart, he had it printed into a scroll. One of the versions is given below: For the pedigree line from Huang Di down to Lim Kee Soon’s sons, he required to print the complete chart into four scrolls; each scroll measuring 18 inches by 54 inches. I am going to invite Lim Kee Soon to start the thread for the Lim/Lin (林) Clan under this Clan Progenitor Reference.
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Post by philiptancl on May 8, 2011 20:40:18 GMT -5
Some revisions are being done for my previous postings. The following is first one that I shall be getting it printed as a scroll. Hi Henry, This scroll would be the same for Gene and for your brother-in-law. Gene wanted five prints of this scroll. Would you want any for your brother-in-law? If so I could dispatch some together with those to Gene when they are ready. When I sent five scrolls to Gene last Friday for his Scroll 4 (the scroll from Chen Hui (aka Chen Feng Tai) down to Gene’s grandchildren and applicable only to Gene) the cost for insurance and courier through FedEx cost more than for the cost for printing six copies of the scroll. He should be receiving them today. As your brother-in-law is also from NY, you may want him to have a look at Gene’s Scroll 4. From there you could see how it would looks like when you have completed doing Scroll 4 for your brother-in-law. Alternatively you could get Gene’s permission to allow me to post his Scroll 4 in this Forum. His Scroll 4 measures 30 inches wide and it must be taller than you and me. Credit goes to Stephen who is doing the coversion from Excel form into that suitable for printing into scroll.
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Post by Doug 周 on Dec 20, 2011 5:46:43 GMT -5
Nick, You might get a better response if you post your question as a new thread in the first main genealogy section on the home page. Your question is buried deep in this more advance progenitor thread. I am having a hard time viewing your Chinese characters. I recommend you encode your characters as Unicode. Depending on your surname, there are active Tan and Chin specialists who participate on this forum. Consider House of Chinnclick if this is your surname. Your best resource always starts with your family. Interview them and gather basic characters and plot their oral history and timeline first. Start gathering up your family's names in Chinese characters. Consider this Wiki: How to Start Your Chinese Family Heritage Researchclick. Hope to hear from you again.
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Post by Henry on Dec 26, 2011 17:32:42 GMT -5
Hi Nick,
Welcome to our Forum.
Philip Tan (Chen) is the moderator for the Chen surname on this Forum. I think Philip is currently away for the holidays. When Philip returns, I am sure he will try to assist you. Philip lives in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and I believe Philip also has a copy of the Chen clan genealogy book for Hainan Island - I would not be surprised if your grandfather's name is in lineage charts. I think Philip is also in contact with various members of the Chen clan that originated from Hainan island.
Regards,
Henry
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Post by philiptancl on Jan 3, 2012 8:16:48 GMT -5
Hi Nick, As my good friend Henry had pointed out, I had been away on holiday tour; in India (Delhi, Jaipur and Agra). Coincidentally three quarter of the group of 20 were either Tan/Chan/Chen (陳) or married to one and the majority are from where you are from, Penang. Since coming back I had not keep tract with posting in this Forum as I was caught up doing two other pieces of genealogy works: 1. Constructing the pedigree tree chart for a friend, also a Tan/Chan/Chin (陳), who is a He Po (河婆) Hakka from Guangdong. He just returned from another visit to his ancestral village there; this time with a jiapu. This is after quite some urging over the years. What he brought back was carefully hand written with Chinese brush with his pedigree line stretching over 31 generations down to his two daughters. As each generation is with all the siblings, it is not comprehensive for general use. Nevertheless it was quite a task for me to digitize all the names into a pedigree chart as I could not use the Chinese character recognition software COCR2. Not able to read and write Chinese, it was quite a challenge. 2. I was getting my fourth chart (consisting of 46 generations) for printing into a scroll as my son intends to have all our four charts in printed scrolls for his wedding at the end of this month in Brisbane, Australia. My family and I will be flying there on the 3rd day of Chinese New Year. Coming to your search for your Tan ancestry tree, my opinion is that it would be comparatively a much easier task especially when your ancestry is from Hainan. From my encounter with Chinese here in Malaysia, I find the Hainanese are generally the most interested group on their genealogy and in keeping up with recording within their jiapu/zupu. I have good contact with the President of Selangor and Kuala Lumpur Hainan Tan (陳) Clan Association. Through him I had copied a few Tan zupus from Hainan; their title pages are shown below: It is possible that your branch of Hainan Tan is included within one of them. It is now for you to find out the name of you branch of your Hainan Tan. You should have other relatives from who you can find that out. For those who had passed away, in reading through the many exchanges within this Forum, their gravestones could provide you some indications. Knowing the Hainanese here, I would not be surprise that some of your older relatives in Malaysia still have contacts with their ancestral village there. Even in your ancestral line is not within those zupus shown above, I could request the Hainan Tan President to try in locating one with your lineage included. Part of your generation poem included in your query could establish your branch of Hainan Tan. When I next meet the Hainan Tan President, I will ask whether the various branches' generation poems are quoted in the zupus and , if so, on which page they are located. Wishing you and other forum members a Happy New Year. Philip
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Post by philiptancl on Jan 12, 2012 2:34:23 GMT -5
Dear Nick, I understand the two zupu from Hainan that I have are for Tan Clans in Wenchang County, the same as where your ancestral village in Hainan is located. It is now to correctly name of the village. Obituaries in Chinese newspapers are great places in finding out the ancestral villages in China. I have seen some with address of ancestral house in China. In one of the zupu, the progenitors for Tan/Chen for some of villages in Wenchang are listed. That would be the branch. See the list below: From what you provide, I could not locate a village with what supposedly is the village quoted in your grandfather obituaries. I phoned to the President of the Selangor and Kuala Lumpur Hainan Tan Clan Association asking about Wenchang. I emailed him what you had provided on the village and I hope to see if he cab assist. His village is also from Wenchang. Could you email me a scan of the obituaries so that it may throw further light? Philip
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Post by twoupman on Jan 12, 2012 22:14:11 GMT -5
Nick, Let me explain your 邁號陳宅崀 which actually consists of two parts. Maihao (邁號) is meant to identify the xiang (鄉) which is today called a zhen (鎮). The second part, Chen Zhailang (陳宅峎) is the name of the village. Together it can be identified as 海南省文昌市邁號鎮 (Traditional) or 海南省文昌市迈号镇 (Simplified) to find the zhen (鎮) locale which is west of Wenchang (文昌市). If you copy and paste the label to Google Maps it will identify its location on the resulting map. Notice there is a village by the same name Maihaocun (迈号村) to the northwest but it is not that of your gf. Unfortunately, the map does not show the village Chen Zhailang (陳宅峎) but it should be in the vicinity as there is another village to the west shown as Meng Zhaiyuancun (孟宅园村) which follows the same surname naming procedure. At least you now know the location where your gf came from. Twoupman houseofchinn.com
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Post by philiptancl on Jan 13, 2012 2:15:03 GMT -5
Based upon what Twoupman had explained, I post the map, as I understand it, below for easy reference: I did received you email yesterday and I had forwarded your enclosure to the President of the Selangor and Kuala Lumpur Hainan Tan Clan Association. I had also phoned him on the matter explaining your quest to find your genealogy. In fact he invited you and me for their Chinese New Year dinner this Sunday January 19, 2012 so that we can talk about Chinese genealogy with the Hainan Tan members that include Tan Koon Swan and his brothers. I had to explain that you are based overseas and I have a prior dinner already set up for that night. He then invited me to a Chinese New Year ceremony on Sunday February 5, 2012 at his Hainan Clan Association premise which I may attend. He asked whether you still have any relatives in Hainan. If you have and if we are not able to locate your ancestral genealogy here, he could try to contact their Hainan counterpart side to see if they can locate it there. You are very fortunate to originate from Hainan. I can get the most assistant from the Tan/Chen Clan Association be it on Tan/Chen or other surnames.
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