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Post by philiptancl on Jul 14, 2018 9:39:15 GMT -5
Hi Ben,
From which province would be the ancestral place in China originated from? If I could recall, the chart that was posted on Page 1 of this thread was taken from the zupu (族譜) entitled 台山黄氏族譜 published in 2006. However if your ancestry is descended from one of the 21 sons of Huang Qiao Shan (黄峭山), the lineage would be somewhat different. If you or others are interested in any of the two, I shall try to construct the chart(s) (when my time permits) and post it in this Forum for you.
Philip
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Post by philiptancl on Jul 15, 2018 2:12:11 GMT -5
Hi Ben, I hope below is the chart you are looking for. The Zupu taken from:
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Post by kekkou on Jul 18, 2018 5:40:32 GMT -5
Hi Phillip,
Thank you very much for your reply. My family is from Dongguan, Guangdong. I only have an excerpt of our family tree, which is states Guang Dong Dong Guan Number 5 Village, Chang Ping. I can't quite make out the few characters after that.
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Post by philiptancl on Jul 18, 2018 22:22:30 GMT -5
Hi Kekkou,
Would your ancestry from Dongguan be of Hakka origin? If you are please note that I had done two Hakka Huang (黃) ancestral charts from Guangdong who ancestry were not accredited to the chart with that posted on July 15, 2018. Instead they are descended from two of the 21 sons of Huang Qiao Shan (黄峭山); born on 871 AD in Kantou Village (坎头村), Heping Town (和平镇), Shaowu City (邵武市) of Fujian Province (福建省). However another Huang (黃) from Hainan (海南) that I had done did follow to the chart posted on July 15, 2018 for a major portion. It would be interesting to see how your ancestry is connected upward.
I could be wrong but what I could figure out the characters, on the cover of the jiapu you had posted, to be:
廣東東莞弟五區常平田坑舊園長房 黃氏家譜
What you have would be an important source document if the original from the ancestral village had been destroyed during the Cultural Revolution and the clan there intends to recreate the zupu again.
Philip
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gmaroz
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Glenn from Sydney. GF Mar See Poy from Shachong village, Zhongshan. GF Wong Shee Ping from Kaiping.
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Post by gmaroz on Aug 22, 2018 20:42:08 GMT -5
Hi all from a newbie. My grandfather was Wong Shee Ping 黃樹平, my great grandfather was Wong Pang Tak 黃鵬德. Am looking for any family history or knowledge of Wong Shee Ping available, or anyone related to the village Wong On (assuming this is the correct village). The family's village is in Kaiping, we believe. A Chinese-speaking friend has just told me: "that the home village of 黃樹建 & 黃樹梧 is 開平豐歲萌村. The information in below website points out that 豐歲萌村 was a area combined by five villages: blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_726a897601011sg1.html " (Thanks Mei-Fen Kuo) ... and that the village 永安 Wing On in this area may be the family village (based on that the village is in the book and is a Wong village in the above area (now known as 馬降龍 Majianglong) (Thanks, Ely Finch!). Thank you. Please read on for a precis re what is known over here of these two Wongs, etc... I live in Sydney, an ABC (Australian-born Chinese). I am sadly only an English speaker. It has recently been discovered that Wong Shee Ping (aka Wong Yue-kung) wrote what is probably the first Australian-Chinese work of fiction when he was editor of The Chinese Times newspaper in Australia in c.1910. The work, "The Poison of Polygamy" has now been translated and will soon be published. A biography of Wong Shee Ping is to be included in the introduction. Wong Shee Ping, b. circa 1875, arrived in Australia c. 1910, left in 1923. He married in early 1923, my mother was the only child of the marriage. (This marriage may not be recorded in the family juk pu if the juk pu comes to light.) Wong Shee Ping also used the name Wong Yue-kung. He was instrumental in establishing the Koumintang in Australia, then had roles in the Chinese Nationalist government in China and Hong Kong up to at least 1931. The Poison of Polygamy was a dramatic, political and moral tale, originally published anonymously as a serial in The Chinese Times. It appears the characters and setting were based from real life, including his father Wong Pang who was a prominent merchant in Melbourne, mostly using pseudonyms. Wong Pang was born c. 1837 and arrived in Australia in 1869. The family firm was Sun Goon Shing which operated in Melbourne, and also Hong Kong. Wong Pang set up a company Woah Hawp Canton to capitalise a large gold mine in Victoria in 1882. His firm Sun Goon Shing operated as a bank at a time when many successful Chinese gold miners were sending their wealth back to China. It is believed he retired and returned to China circa 1910. Wong Shee Ping had one known brother: 黃樹藩 William Wong Shefan, who died in Melbourne 1913. Thank you again. Regards, Glenn Mar
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Post by ofolu on Jan 26, 2020 4:40:15 GMT -5
Hi everyone! I really hope this thread is still active. Would anyone be able to help me with my Wong genealogy? My great-grandmother migrated to New Zealand around 1930/1940. She died 20 years ago and noone has any idea about our chinese heritage. A letter she has was addressed to her brother in Shatou village, Xintang town, Zengcheng District, Guangzhou. Does anyone have records from around that area or know where I can find them? Thank you for your help
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Post by ofolu on Jan 26, 2020 4:50:11 GMT -5
And if possible could someone send me a link to those charts at the beginning of the thread?
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Post by helen on Jan 26, 2020 19:45:01 GMT -5
Hi everyone! I really hope this thread is still active. Would anyone be able to help me with my Wong genealogy? My great-grandmother migrated to New Zealand around 1930/1940. She died 20 years ago and noone has any idea about our chinese heritage. A letter she has was addressed to her brother in Shatou village, Xintang town, Zengcheng District, Guangzhou. Does anyone have records from around that area or know where I can find them? Thank you for your help If you have the address then it is really positive news. I can introduce to someone who came from that village. I also have my husband's cousin who will perhaps know of the family. He is in his 80s and came to NZ about mid 1990s.
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Post by ofolu on Jan 27, 2020 4:47:32 GMT -5
Thank you Helen! Sounds amazing. I will message you!
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Post by kekkou on Jul 8, 2020 0:21:41 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I've recently picked up my family tree project again (trying to make the most of the lockdown). As posted above, the single page that I have mentioned Tiankeng, Changping Dongguan. I have had a look at the Shanghai Library jiapu database, and made a promising find, but am hoping that someone could provide me with some further guidance. jiapu.library.sh.cn/#/GenealogySummary:http://data.library.sh.cn/jp/resource/work/jsiacz1mw4zzjhfxwww.2jiapu.com/jiapu/huang/128064.htmlThe Shanghai Library database had a listing for a Huang zupu that stated Tiankeng, Changping. It seems like exactly what I've looking for, but I'm unsure how to access it (whether it is available online?) The links above do not seem to give me any information, or show me any scans of the document. Does anyone know if it is accessible, and if not how I might be able to access it/who I should contact? Many thanks, Ben
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Post by Doug 周 on Jul 8, 2020 10:57:14 GMT -5
Ben, Everything I have read is that to access both the Shanghai and Guangzhou library's zupu collection require a physical visit. See: siyigenealogy.proboards.com/post/22073/thread . Consider commissioning someone to submit a request for you, such as www.mychinaroots.com/ . Another possibility is private messaging wang , who lives (methinks) within 100 km of Shanghai.
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Post by Henry on Jul 14, 2020 0:10:44 GMT -5
Ben, Doug is right about a personal visit, especially to the Guangzhou Library. I had asked my Taishan nephew a couple years ago to go there and copy a zupu. They would only allow him to copy about a third of the book and refused to let him copy more. It seems that there are people making copies of Chinese genealogy books and selling them online. Here are some links I posted last year and a some that I posted over 10 years ago, so i am not sure how many of the links are still active. Henry www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Hong_Kong_Archives_and_Librarieswww.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Hong_Kong_Online_Genealogy_Recordswww.myheritage.com/research/category-Hong-Kong/hong-kong-genealogy-vital-recordswww.archives.org.hk/en/Chinese Genealogy-Related Websites Filed in China, Internet Genealogical Research on Jun.08, 2009 Chinese National Library In searching foreign-language websites and news, I ran across a list of websites at www.chtw.org where the Chinese genealogist will find information. Note that some of the sites have English language sites as well. The Fujian Provincial Library, Suzhou City Archives, Quanzhou City Library, and the Zhejiang Library also had website addresses recommended for genealogy research, but the links were bad. This isn’t a comprehensive list by any means. The Generation’s Network’s new Chinese site wasn’t even mentioned in the article I ran across. ONLINE LIBRARY CATALOGS - Genealogy Directory National Library of China: 中國國家圖書館 : www.nlc.gov.cn/English language site: www.nlc.gov.cn/en/indexen.htmTaiwan Memory: 台灣記憶- 國家圖書館 : Taiwan memory - the National Library: memory.ncl.edu.tw/tm_cgi/hypage.cgi? Sun Yat Sin Library: 廣東省立中山圖書館 Sun Yat Sin Library: Guangdong Provincial Zhongshan Library www.zslib.com.cn/zslibwd/wx/index.aspShanghai Library: 上海圖書館 : search.library.sh.cn/jiapu/ Hong Kong University: 香港大學圖書館 : University of Hong Kong Libraries: lib.hku.hk/ (In English) TianJin Library of China: 天津圖書館 : www.tjl.tj.cn/WuHan University Library: 武漢大學古籍館 : www.lib.whu.edu.cn/English Language Version: 202.114.65.11/web/en/home NanKai University Library: 南開大學圖書館 : www.lib.nankai.edu.cn/English Language Version: www.lib.nankai.edu.cn/english/index.htmCUHK Library of Hong Kong: 香港原居民姓氏族譜: www.lib.cuhk.edu.hk/Common/Reader/Version/Show.jsp?Pid=1&Version=0&Charset=iso-8859-1National Library of Singapore: 新加坡國家圖書館: www.nlb.gov.sg/ (In English) GENEALOGY RELATED WEBSITES 家譜網站 Chen Library: 永春仙鄉林炳陳氏宗親聯誼網 : Chen Sin Lin Heung Yongchun clan Network: chenlb.fushantang.com/ Cheung Library: 中華張姓網: Chinese Zhang surname Network: www.zhangxingshizu.com/Chinese Canadian: 中加譜學網站: Spectra Canada Web site: www.vpl.ca/ccg/ (In English)
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