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Post by chak on Mar 17, 2009 13:44:37 GMT -5
I have been trying to find my father's family village but am at a standstill. My grandma said she came from Sing Lung village, Sunning, China and was married in Seuk Gow Hoy village, Sunning, China which is also where my grandpop's from and where they lived from 1921 to 1923. Figure the village names have been changed since then. If anyone knows the new names or locations, please let me know! Thanks!
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Post by Henry on Mar 17, 2009 14:52:38 GMT -5
Chak, Romanized names are not very helpful. Do you have the Chinese characters for the names of the ancestral villages? Either from relatives or can you post digital photos of gravestones that have Chinese characters. It would also help to know the major surname associated with each ancestral village. To post an image: siyigenealogy.proboards28.com/index.cgi?board=comment&action=display&thread=421Sunning is the old name for Taishan county. Henry
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Post by chak on Mar 17, 2009 16:22:01 GMT -5
Thank you, Henry. I have asked one Uncle who may know the Chinese characters for the village. Our surname is MOY. We know grandpa as Samuel Gong MOY. On the alleged American citizen of the Chinese Race for Preinvestigation of Status application, his name is Samuel Moy Nam Gong. The Commissioner of Imimigration refers to him as Mr. MOY. On the 1910 census, he is listed as Moy GONG. When he brought grandma into this country, she (as well as he) said his name was MOY Fung Nen with Dung Min as his marriage name. Captions under a portrait of him identify him as Mr. MOY Jung Ming. He owned restaurant in DC called Ming's cafe. I have the Chinese characters for 3 of the above names but afraid it doesn't help much. No mention of village on his tombstone
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Post by chak on Mar 17, 2009 16:28:16 GMT -5
Forgot to give you the names associated with the villages: NG Sung Gway, my grandma, was born in Sing Lung village. Her father was NG See Yik who was a druggist in the Han Sung Hung company at See Moo market.
MOY Fung Nen; Dung Min is his marriage name, some people call my grandpa Samuel Moy Gong or Samuel Gong Moy. Moy is the last name. His family was from Seuk Gow Hoy village.
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Post by tyuti1668 on Mar 17, 2009 18:18:33 GMT -5
MOY Seuk Gow Hoy in Siyi maybe= 石交台 / Shek Kau Toi / Shí Jiāo Tái / sek6 gaau1 toi4 / 4258-0074-0669 (梅 / Moy / Méi / mui4 / 2734) in Cantonese Link the china post db= 广东省江门市台山市 端芬镇山底村委会石交台村 postal code:529245 NG how to say 雙 in siyi? I guess= this广东省江门市台山市 广海镇双龙村委会双龙村 postal code:529231
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Post by chak on Mar 18, 2009 8:53:41 GMT -5
Tyuti1668, I appreciate your reply. I neither speak nor understand Chinese so I am unsure how to interpret what you gave me. I will run it by my Uncle though. I once asked him if he knew the village- because he got married in the Moy one - but he said the names have changed so it would be too hard to find. Perhaps your suggestions will ignite something in his memory.
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Post by Henry on Mar 18, 2009 8:58:30 GMT -5
Hi Chak, Sorry, I took so long to respond to your request for a map. Tyuti1668 has done excellent research with the China Post DB - wish I could read Chinese, so I could use it too. I searched all the Chinese map websites and even my very detailed large scale topographic map sheets and I still could not find your ancestral villages. however, I checked my Taishan Gazetteer and I was able to confirm that Shek Kau Toi village is under the management of the Shan Dai authority: also, I checked on the Village DB and the grid coordinates for Shan Dai and it is located within or very close to Duanfen Town: mysite.verizon.net/vzepzaui/Shan Dai Mkt.jpg[/img] Here is a map of the area: mysite.verizon.net/vzepzaui/Duanfen Region.jpg[/img] I am not so sure that the Sing Lung village is your grandmother's village, it is just north of the seaport of Guanghai, but, Sing Lung village is relatively close, 5 or 6 miles, to Shek Kau Toi village. Typically, people do marry spouses from nearby villages: mysite.verizon.net/vzepzaui/Sing Lung.jpg[/img] Here is a bi-lingual map of southern Guangdong province: mysite.verizon.net/vzepzaui/Southern Guangdong 2003.jpg[/img] If you really need to know definitely about your ancestral villages, identifying relatives, and getting a copy of your family genealogy book, or require a guide /translator if you visit the Taishan area, my Taishan nephew is available for hire: siyigenealogy.proboards28.com/index.cgi?board=names&action=display&thread=821If you want me to direct my nephew's search, you can contact me on: Tomclan@Gmail.com Henry
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Post by tyuti1668 on Aug 14, 2010 22:23:43 GMT -5
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Post by chak on Aug 17, 2010 13:27:20 GMT -5
Do you know if Sai Lung and Sheung Lung villages are near each other? My uncle says his mother's village (Sing Lung) is close to his father's (Seuk Gow Hoy) and that her parents were farmers but about ready to retire in 1948. Does that rule out one of those *Lung villages or does "village" imply "farming"?
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Post by chumley on Aug 17, 2010 17:19:10 GMT -5
Most of the Sze Yup (Siyi) region is in a rural area (countryside). However, there are small, urban areas within each county. As an example, Taishan City is the municipal area of Taicheng Township. In addition, Sunwui (Xinhui) is considered an urban district.
Village can be referred to as a neighborhood. Although the Sze Yup (Siyi) region is rural, many areas are not suitable for farming.
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Post by tyuti1668 on Aug 17, 2010 17:40:47 GMT -5
Do you know if Sai Lung and Sheung Lung villages are near each other? My uncle says his mother's village (Sing Lung) is close to his father's (Seuk Gow Hoy) and that her parents were farmers but about ready ... According to Google's Satellite image- BOTH village have fields Sai Lung is nearer to "Seuk Gow Hoy" BUT "Sheung Lung" (near to sea) is also within walking distance circle (OLD timer's arranged marraige )
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Post by chak on Aug 18, 2010 8:33:37 GMT -5
Hmmm - so both are still a possibility... Hopefully this newly found relative will be able to clear up some of these mysteries. He and his family are coming up this way for Labor Day weekend and his father still travels back and forth to the old village. Don't know if it is the same village as his g-grandfather's (which would be mine too), but I'm hoping they didn't travel much and that it is! Keeping my fingers crossed!
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Post by chumley on Sept 10, 2010 20:37:52 GMT -5
Chak,
Did you see your long lost relative on Labor Day weekend?
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Post by chak on Sept 11, 2010 16:31:07 GMT -5
Chumley, I did! And it was great! They are a lovely young family and we plan on getting together again. This relative gave me a 7 page copy of the story that his father is working on - about our Moy history - which starts in 1371 and continues up through the birth of this relative's daughter who was born 7 weeks ago! I am illiterate when it comes to Chinese but I recognize the character for "generation" and the numbers - so I compared the names under each generation - and, up until generation 18, we followed the Moy Generation Poem posted by some Moys in Chicago: freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~chinesesurname/moygen.htmlThe first page also has the same characters, 梅 永 清, that I found on the site about Moy Wing Ting freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~chinesesurname/wingting.html so I'm guessing their story is ours too?! My new found relative's father is going back to China on Tuesday for 5 weeks. I have asked for a picture of the village if it still exists - and a village name/address. It is difficult trying to be patient and not a pester them with too many requests/questions when I am so excited! Carol
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Post by chak on Sept 11, 2010 16:38:48 GMT -5
Henry, You sent me those two links a few years ago. I should have just taken them on blind faith - since you have been right on with all your suggestion/advice so far! I just posted them again since they have been moved to a different host and the 2006 links don't work any more. Thanks! Carol
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