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Post by choocl on Nov 6, 2009 8:40:36 GMT -5
My grandfather came to British Malaya in the early 1900. He was from Shunde, Guangzhou. I just got a copy of the family Jiapu from my cousin a few days ago. I will be going to Shunde next week to trace my roots. Can anyone tell me from the chinese script, the exact location or village in Shunde my ancestors came from? Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks. Attachments:
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Post by tyuti1668 on Nov 6, 2009 10:07:27 GMT -5
Almost certain it's 仙涌村 in 陳村鎮 (From this "doc" : the "仙涌村" had "朱" ancestor. / 西淋 also is nearby. |
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Post by choocl on Nov 6, 2009 16:49:35 GMT -5
Thanks tyuti1668 for your help.
May I know what does the code 6449 means and can you provide me with a map to å—O.
I am finalising my travel arrangement and a map would help. Thanks again.
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Post by choocl on Nov 6, 2009 17:33:44 GMT -5
Hi tyuti1668,
Just found out that you have provided me the link to my ancestor village in google map. Without your help, I don't think I will be able to locate the place.
Thanks and have a nice day.
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Post by helen on Nov 14, 2009 13:01:15 GMT -5
Let us know if you were successful.
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Post by choocl on Nov 16, 2009 19:56:23 GMT -5
First I would like to thank Henry for hosting this site and tyuti1668 for the direction to my ancestor village. I am now in Guangzhou. I managed to locate my ancestor village/hall on Sunday, 15 Nov with the assistance of a friend in Foshan. The village elders were very happy to see me and requested for a copy of my Jiapu. The Zupu in the ancestor hall has been destroyed and they are now trying to reconstruct it from the individual family Jiapu. My copy of the Jiapu contains a lot of information which they dont have i.e. location of the ancestor graves and others. I gladly gave them a copy of my Jiapu. I have not manages to trace any of my relatives there. Possible next trip.
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Post by helen on Nov 17, 2009 1:31:40 GMT -5
That's great news that you are still there. And lucky for you that you can view this website. I had problems when I was in Beijing in June. Enjoy the rest of your trip.
It's sad that the zupu have been destroyed in the homeland. The ones that have gone overseas are so valuable. let's hope those who have them realise the importance of it all. I'm sure the younger generation would not really have any ideas as to the historic value.
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Post by LJ on Dec 31, 2014 0:05:00 GMT -5
Hi fellow Siyi Genealogists,
Both my maternal grandfather and his father were born in a place called Shayongfang (沙湧坊), Leliu (勒流) in Shunde. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find this place in the recently re-established Village Database (villagedb.friendsofroots.org) nor on Google Maps. Have any of you heard of this place?
Wishing you all Happy Holidays,
LJeung
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Post by Henry on Jan 18, 2015 0:34:14 GMT -5
LJeung,
Your ancestral village is not contained in the Village Database as it only covers the 4 counties of: Toishan, Hoiping, Sunwui, and Chungshan.
Shunde is one of 5 districts of Foshan municipality. Leliu is a sub district of Shunde.
I suggest contacting " webmaster@gdfao.gd.gov.cn " for a link/contact information to the Overseas Chinese Affairs Office of Leliu or Shunde to ask for a map showing the location of Shayongfang (沙湧坊)village.
Henry
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Post by twoupman on Jan 18, 2015 12:16:22 GMT -5
LJeung, Here is the Post Office GPS for your Leliu in Shunde: 22.859620, 113.122085 twoupman houseofchinn.com |
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Post by lachinatown on Jan 19, 2015 1:46:34 GMT -5
LJeung, where did you get the Chinese characters for Shayongfang (沙湧坊)?
湧 may not be correct.
There are many villages with the 涌 character.
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Post by LJ on Jan 19, 2015 2:03:30 GMT -5
LJeung, Your ancestral village is not contained in the Village Database as it only covers the 4 counties of: Toishan, Hoiping, Sunwui, and Chungshan. Shunde is one of 5 districts of Foshan municipality. Leliu is a sub district of Shunde. I suggest contacting " webmaster@gdfao.gd.gov.cn " for a link/contact information to the Overseas Chinese Affairs Office of Leliu or Shunde to ask for a map showing the location of Shayongfang (沙湧坊)village. Henry Dear Henry, Thank you for the suggestion. I will contact the webmaster of the GDFAO website. LJeung |
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Post by LJ on Jan 19, 2015 2:05:01 GMT -5
LJeung, Here is the Post Office GPS for your Leliu in Shunde: 22.859620, 113.122085 twoupman houseofchinn.comDear twoupman, Thank you for the GPS coordinates. I will use Google Maps to look for the post office. LJeung |
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Post by LJ on Jan 19, 2015 3:11:10 GMT -5
LJeung, where did you get the Chinese characters for Shayongfang (沙湧坊)? 湧 may not be correct. There are many villages with the 涌 character. Dear lachinatown, I got them from a document in my grandfather's INS A-File, a document called a statutory declaration, which my grandfather had submitted in lieu of birth and marriage records that he could not obtain from the governments of China and Hong Kong at the time. In this declaration, he writes that as to the best of his knowledge, belief, and information, he was born in Sha Chung Fong, Lark Lau Heung, Shun Tak District, Kwangtung, China (中国,廣東省,順德縣,勒流鄉,沙湧坊), my grandmother married him there, and his father was born there. That is, he writes the same name three times in the document. He was a colonel and former pilot in the Republic of China Army, so I assume that he was fairly literate. However, since the name Shayongfang is comprised of three characters, then perhaps, it was not the name of a village, but it was that of a street or neighborhood in Leliu. What are some villages in Leliu with the 涌 character? LJeung |
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Post by lachinatown on Jan 20, 2015 14:08:40 GMT -5
湧 and 涌 are the same according to Matthews dictionary. 涌 is being used now.
One dictionary has pronunciation (Cantonese): 湧=Yung, 涌=Chung
Therefore the question is was this the way it was written on the document?
Villages: 石涌, 上涌 (2 locations), 下涌, 众涌, 大苏涌, 涌口, 槎涌, 红涌, etc., in 勒流 sub-district.
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