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Post by alwinlong3 on Dec 26, 2011 18:34:30 GMT -5
Dear all, I am a new member & very much interested to have a deep understanding of my roots/ origin. Currently the 3rd generation in Malaysia.
Just to give you a brief history, my late grandpa made his was to Malaysia in his teens from Hainan Island. Indeed we are hiananese. There are handful of Longs in Malaysia whom I know are mainly hainanese while some are cantonese. Didn't have much data or information , as this quest starts only after the departure if my grandfather. Now that I am a father of two, very much hope to pass the legacy of our origin to the generations to come.
Here are some surface research done without any conclusive understanding to the Long origin : 1) Long: could be originated from Liu & Dong 2) From the great service as General, the king (prior to Qin dynasty) gave the highest honor by honoring the surname Long / dragon to him hence the Long family came about. 3) they are the dragon trainers. This is too mythical unless there are enough taxes & evidence to support this, otherwise the 1st two explanation seemed believable.
With the little info & research I hope my quest stops here.
Have a great New Year ahead, everyone
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Post by Henry on Dec 26, 2011 19:35:42 GMT -5
Hi alwinlong3, Welcome to our Forum. If you have the Chinese characters for the names of your grandfather & great grandfather - this would be a great start. Also, if you have the Chinese characters for the name of your ancestral village and its location, this is where you can try to acquire a copy of your family lineage. Since about the year 2000, there has been a lot of effort by villages to re-compile their lineages as part of the larger county and even provincial clan genealogies. Also, if you can contact the Long clan association, they or one of its members may have the genealogy book that would document your lineage and also who your relatives are. There is a thread on the Forum about Malaysian clan associations: siyigenealogy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=suggestion&action=display&thread=863If you send a personal message to jefferyseow, a Forum member, he may be able to help you. If you send me an email to "Tomclan@Gmail.com", I will be happy to provide you with some historical information on the origins of the Long surname. Henry
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Post by alwinlong3 on Dec 26, 2011 21:06:37 GMT -5
Thanks Henry, will do so. Btw this forum is extremely beneficial to the Chinese community around the world.
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Post by lilly210 on Apr 21, 2017 15:02:24 GMT -5
Hi Henry-
I am extremely grateful for this resourceful site and also for Alwin for sending you this message. My name is Lilly Long and our family resides in California, USA. I'm conducting research on the Long clan as well. In terms of the what Alvin mentioned below, that is exactly what my grandparents told me before they past. I would like to learn more about he history of the Long clan and lineage as well. Would you be able to support me as well?
I'm excited to hear back from you. There's just so little informaton online.
Thank you!
Best regards,
Lilly
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Post by alwinlong3 on Oct 20, 2017 23:20:27 GMT -5
Dear all,
6 years later and additional child after my post..... finally my family and I managed to return to our ancestral ground. The beautiful story enfolds when we not only found the house that my late grandpa grew up... the key was given to us as our possession. More details in the future. Actually I wanted to post this experience back in 2015/16 yet my schedule were too tight,not that much of an excuse.
Anyways now with Lily’s quest, I hope to provide a rabbit trail that not just Lily as many others may find their roots. We found our cousins and uncles who welcomed us with open arms without prejudice. They even invited us to rebuild our grandpa’s place including rejuvenate the Long Village. Prior to this we heard stories on how heartless and materialistic these Chinese people are, thanks be to God that our people survived the contamination...& I must add for now. Things are changing and fast. Recently our aunt actually came & visted is in Malaysia. The exchange program was good.
Dear Lily, Let me start by saying it’s all worth it. There is a village called the Long village. Approximately 10-15km fr Wenchang Town. Find your way there. The book of ancestral will lead you to where you need. It’s from the 8th generation of Long to the 29th (if my memory serves me correctly). Still unable to trace beyond that, that’s my next phase as they claimed to have another Long clan in mainland China. The 8th generation, our great (x29) grandpa was indeed a General. His role is to ensure peace to the southern most part of China. A valiant and honored man indeed. Thereafter, many were high officials, generals etc providing a good back drop to who we were and who we should be.
One major gap was that I’m not fluent in Chinese and worst was I can’t read & write Chinese. Not all loss as my youngest bro managed to stand in as interpreter to explain the high level Chinese from our uncle the stories related to the matters.
Now....If your able to send me the oldest Long’s name perhaps your great grandpa or grandpa, I may pass to my cousin in Hainan Island to check for you.
Thanks for reading and all the best to your search.
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Post by daniellong on Nov 9, 2017 2:09:52 GMT -5
Hi Alwin,
It really nice to hear your journey in search of the Long. My father migrated to Malaysia from Hainan in the 50's, unfortunately I don't have much information about the Long as he passed when I was 3 years old.
Learned some information from my mom but very limited, before my father passed he did have letters communication with his family or the Longs and he have my name enter/register in the lineage book at our ancestral house in Hainan.
That is the end of my information of my Long Clan.
I m really happy to read of your search and journey back to our ancestral home and I wish I could start my journey too with more information.
For a start, could you ask your cousin in Hainan if he could find out if my father and me was registered in the same ancestral home as yours. (Perhaps we are related LOL).
My father's name is Long Hock Lam (pronounced in Cantonese) 龍學林 and my name Long Puh Biew 龍浦彪.
Would really appreciate if you could point the way.
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Post by jimmyloong on Jan 25, 2018 5:33:00 GMT -5
Hi All, I am Jimmy Loong from Butterworth, Penang, Malaysia. I am a cantonese and my dad is from sihui, Guangdong, China. I am curious to know my lineage as I know there are many people with surname LONG/LOONG/LUNG in Malaysia. Most of them are Hainanese. So am I from mainland China or from Hainan Island? I too interested to search my roots in China. My 1oth uncle (last) past away last month in China. Though I have cousins in Sihui but all are chinese educated and i am english educated ,hence cannot communicate with them. I have contacted a friend Rosetts Lung fro Australia who mentioned about the past history of the Loong surname and also said there was a Loong Village in Shenzen which has been redeveloped.
Would love to share information in this board with anyone having the same interest.
Thanks.
Jimmy Loong kploong@yahoo.com
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Post by Henry on Jan 25, 2018 8:24:07 GMT -5
Dear Colleagues,
The following is some historical information on the origins of the Long clan by CHUNG Yoon-Ngan, a famous historian & author of The Origin of Chinese Surnames published in 2002.
Henry .......................................................................................................................................
The 80th most common Chinese surname LONG (龍)
Long means: the dragon. The surname Long is about 3,000 years old.
The surname Long originated in an area referred to during the Han Dynasty (漢朝 206BC to 220AD) as the Wuling prefecture (武陵郡). The present day location of Wuling prefecture is in the south of Xupu county (漵浦縣, 110.7 degree East and 27.9 degree North on the world map) of Henan province (河 南省).
According to the Chinese historical records Si Wenming (姒文命) founded the Xia Dynasty (夏朝 2205BC to 1766BC); Si Qi (姒啟), his eldest son succeeded him as the leader of the Xia people. According to tradition the leadership was elected and not inherited from the father, so Si Qi changed the rules of succession in order to allowed the title to be inheritable. Si Qi died in 2188BC and his elder son Si Taikang (姒太康) succeeded him as the leader.
Si Taikang was a man obsessed with hunting. One day he led his army out for hunting far and away from his domain, not realizing that he had ventured into the land of the rival tribe Youqiong (有窮) (which is in the present day Tonggu 通谷 village near the present day Luoyang 洛陽 city in Henan province 河南省). Hou Yi (后羿) the leader of this tribe was incensed and cut off the homeward bound road for Si Taikang, who was subsequently defeated in a battle by Hou Yi. Si Taikang fled to Zhenxun (斟鄩) in present day Gong county (鞏 縣) in Henan province.
Hou Yi led his army to occupy the Xia capital, Anyi (安邑 in the present day Xia county (夏縣 in Shanxi province 山西省). Hou Yi installed Si Zhongkang (姒仲康), the younger brother of Si Taikang as the puppet ruler of Xia. Si Zhongkang died in 2146BC and his son Si Xiang (姒相) became the new ruler of Xia; however, Hou Yi dethroned him and installed himself as the ruler of Xia. Si Xiang fled to Zhenguan (斟灌 in present day Cao county 曹縣 in Shandong province 山東省).
Hou Yi entrusted the military power to his army general Han Zhuo (寒浞) who rebelled against him and then killed him. General Han Zhuo married Hou Yi's wife and the couple had two sons.
In 2120BC, after the two sons had grown up, General Han Zhuo ordered them to conquer the two territories of Zhenxun and Zhenguan, where the two dethroned rulers were living. Si Taikang had already died of old age long before the General Han Zhuo's sons arrived to conquer their land; however Si Xiang was still alive and he was killed in the battle by the two Han brothers.
The brothers occupied the palace of Si Xiang; fortunately his pregnant wife escaped death by crawling through a hole in the palace wall and hiding in the village. After a few months she gave birth to a baby boy who was named Si Shaokang (姒少康).
When Si Shaokang grew up he was aimlessly wondering around without a home base of his own, finally settling down in Puban (蒲阪 in present day Yongji county 永濟縣 of Shanxi province). Yao Si (姚思) the ruler of this place married his two daughters to Si Shao Kang and gave him a large plot of land to cultivate; Si Shaokang did not want to be a farmer for his whole life and while he farmed the land and brought 2 sons into the world he secretly congregated the remnants of his father's and grandfather's followers, planning to restore his ancestors' kingdom.
In 2079BC, Si Shaokang led his followers to battle against Han Zhuo, which resulted in the defeat and execution of Han Zhuo in a decisive battle at Anyi. Si Shaokang restored the Xia Dynasty.
One of Si Shaokang's sons called Long (龍) remained in Puban. After Long's death his children adopted LONG (龍) as their surname in remembrance of Long
The couplet of surname Long:
源自上古,---Yuan2 zi4 shang4 gu3, 望出武陵.---Wang4 chu Wuling.
Surname LONG is an ancient Chinese surname, It began to spread from Wuling Prefecture. ------------------------------------------------------------
The prominent persons produced by LONG clan:
(A) 龍啟瑞 (Long Qirui 1814AD to 1858 AD)
龍啟瑞是臨桂人﹐在清朝道光皇帝 (1821AD to 1850AD) 年間中進士﹐ 督學湖北﹐後調江西﹐升為布政使﹐有廉明政聲。
他對經史頗有研究﹐尤其精通音韻學﹐著有 [古韻通說]﹐ 爾雅經注集證]﹐ [經的堂詩文集] 等書。 ------------------------------------------------------
(B) 龍雲 (Long Yun 1888AD to 1962AD)
反清革命軍士兵滇軍軍官云南都督侍衛隊長滇軍第五軍軍長云南省主席軍事 ... 除 了國民政府的任命,龍雲在主政雲南時也表現許多服從國民政府的作為,像是在中 原 ... 在其他軍閥來看滇軍裝備不良,但仍然在戰斗中以慘烈的傷亡完成任務.. --------------------------------------------
Posted to asiawind.com.phpBB By CHUNG Yoon-Ngan (鄭永元)
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Post by alwinlong3 on Feb 20, 2018 23:35:26 GMT -5
Hi Daniel.
Certainly. I will pass the word and keep you posted.
While I’m sure all surname Long’s (dragon in Chinese are related)
Best Regards Alwin Long
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Post by alwinlong3 on Feb 20, 2018 23:41:30 GMT -5
Hi Jimmy,
Indeed there is another branch of Long’s linieage from the Canton area. That’s one of my desire is to find that link.
My genealogy in Hainan island is the 8th generation from the Long clan. Appreciate if you may update your findings after making Jit back to the new village. As for the Long village in Hainan island it is still very well preserved. Appreciate that they kept the history well.
Hi Henry aka “our Moderator,
Thanks for the info & the forum. The history differed in magnitude, details etc. I personally prefer the version I read in the ancestral “museum” in my village... will load it up later.
For all the Longs out there.... happy searching
Best Regards,
Long
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Post by alwinlong3 on Feb 21, 2018 0:17:41 GMT -5
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Post by daniellong on Apr 24, 2019 4:51:05 GMT -5
Hi all brother & sister,
Seems not much activity in this forum for a while but I have not stop my search of my roots over the years. Recently, I was connected to a WeChat group of "The Long Brother and Sister" group chat (龙氏兄弟姐妹群) from around the world with majority members from Hainan and mostly using Chinese to communicate but there are also few from other parts of the world and the admin can communicate in English.
Through this group's help, I recently managed to find my roots and some relatives in Hainan.
They are very helpful and few other members too have successfully traced their roots and reconnected with their long lost family.
If anyone here would like to join the Long Brother and Sister Group Chat, (WeChat) please email me; daniellpp@gmail.com.
Would be glad to help.
Best regards Daniel Long
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Post by alwinlong3 on Jan 14, 2020 9:23:32 GMT -5
Sounds good Daniel.
How's your search so far?
Guess it should not stop as you say... Keep it up
Happy Chinese New Year all.
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Post by longtien on Jun 18, 2020 18:50:02 GMT -5
Hi Jimmy, Indeed there is another branch of Long’s linieage from the Canton area. That’s one of my desire is to find that link. My genealogy in Hainan island is the 8th generation from the Long clan. Appreciate if you may update your findings after making Jit back to the new village. As for the Long village in Hainan island it is still very well preserved. Appreciate that they kept the history well. Hi Henry aka “our Moderator, Thanks for the info & the forum. The history differed in magnitude, details etc. I personally prefer the version I read in the ancestral “museum” in my village... will load it up later. For all the Longs out there.... happy searching Best Regards, Long I just came across this website and am also searching more about my long surname family history. I am from the canton area too and my relatives that I have met are in Guangdong. I heard there are many relatives in the GuangXi area as well. There is a lineage book there too... really amazing, and how each direct descendant from the Long clan should adopt a specific middle name so that we can find each other and recognise who are our relatives. It seems many of my relatives continued with the tradition and followed the lineage book on middle name conventions. My father moved to the UK. Some extended members moved to California. I moved to Singapore 10years ago. My Chinese is not very good, however. Nice to meet everyone here! We went to the village last year to see my grandma and all the aunties and uncles for Qing Ming. There are more than 30 with our Long (dragon) surname in my known family circle. I am also trying to find out deeper about our history.
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Post by AvalineRyu on Aug 1, 2020 21:01:46 GMT -5
I am not sure how to get thread posting permissions, but I would like to start tracing my past. My grandfather, the last Leong ancestor I can trace with his Chinese name, was a Hainanese man from Jingtou (井头). His name was spelled 龍仕經.
What little I know about him was he arrived in Malaya after WW2, lost his fortune due to communists confiscating it, and had two sons eventually. I am the only granddaughter who he greatly disliked.
Still, I want to know who came before me as a matter of curiosity.
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