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Post by jazlilong on Oct 18, 2020 2:44:51 GMT -5
Hi guys. I am new here. I am just curious. I am also from the long clan, my name is 龙仕琛, is there a difference between this 龙 and the one u use? My grandmother is still in contact with her relatives in hainan. My grandfather was the one that had long lineage and came to Malaysia to become a headmaster. Anyone can help check whethermy name is in the lineage book?
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Post by jazlilong on Oct 18, 2020 2:45:53 GMT -5
I am not sure how to get thread posting permissions, but I would like to start tracing my past. My grandfather, the last Leong ancestor I can trace with his Chinese name, was a Hainanese man from Jingtou (井头). His name was spelled 龍仕經. What little I know about him was he arrived in Malaya after WW2, lost his fortune due to communists confiscating it, and had two sons eventually. I am the only granddaughter who he greatly disliked. Still, I want to know who came before me as a matter of curiosity. Seems like your grand father and i share the same.middle name
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Post by AvalineRyu on Dec 5, 2020 20:19:24 GMT -5
Usually the same middle name suggest you're in the same generation. I forgot to mention the last time that said grandfather managed to learn English despite never having gone to school himself.
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Post by clong on Jan 4, 2021 5:25:06 GMT -5
Hi Henry, I hope you're still active on this post. I too am a Long, my father was from Canton. His father was a general killed by Mao's clan, leaving my father fatherless at age 7. My father is now 80 and I would love to help my father get some answers he longed for all his life. He had suffered much since 7. His mother believed in fortune telling and believe my father was bad luck. She abandoned him and left him to be raised by his aunt. But they treated him like a slave to their family. He wants to know where he used to live, when did his father pass, etc. Neither his mother or his aunt ever told him and they both passed. I'm still holding onto hope to grant my father this before he leave this world and he has suffered so much in.
-Cindy
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Post by Henry on Jan 4, 2021 13:32:33 GMT -5
Hi Cindy,
Long is not a common surname in the Siyi or Sanyi regions.
Does your father any documents in Chinese that provides the Chinese name of your grandfather or Chinese name of the Long ancestral village.
Where does your father reside ? There may be some official immigration records that has this information.
Henry
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Post by alwinlong3 on Jan 11, 2021 22:45:14 GMT -5
Hi Longtien, Thanks for your story in this thread. Glad to hear from someone confirming roots spreading to Canton. I am intrigue to the ancestry line there. By any chance, they were able to trace them back to the first Long ancestor? As the oldest of the Long's in Hainan island can only trace back to the 8th Generation. It is the first Long that I am trying to trace as to know what was his surname prior... May sound technical yet it is for the complete tracing purpose. Hope to hear form you. --- Hi Jazlilong, agree with Henry that the second letter represents the generation. In fact the middle names were all given as a saying explaining our ancestor. It speaks forth his origin, his travel path and so on. Pardon me for not able to read and write in Chinese. While my brothers and I share the same middle name with your grandpa Will try to get hold of it and post it. ---- Aveline, my wife's side is from the same place you mentioned. Hainanese but their surname is Wong. ------------------ Hi Cindy, There is a Long Village in Hainan island. Presumably all Long clan from Hainan island originated from here. If it is from the clan from Canton then, I am not sure. Let me have the name, will ask for my cousin to check for you from the ancestry in Hainan. It is certainly most valuable to grant the elderly their heart's desire. Best Regards, Alwin
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Post by AvalineRyu on Jan 12, 2021 19:55:57 GMT -5
I wonder if the Wongs from Jingtou are related to my paternal grandmother then, she was surnamed Wong and was the only girl with 4 brothers.
One of the 4 brothers had drowned as a young boy. Because my paternal elders didn't like me, they won't tell me anything about the past beyond being from Jingtou, Hainan; or the mythological origins.
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Post by jl on May 17, 2021 2:40:57 GMT -5
Hi,
This is an interesting forum. I also have the long surname - from the Hainanese side. I think a lot of the information here is generally consistent with what I have heard my elder relatives say when I was younger too. My middle name is shi (仕), which denotes generation - I have seen the written document to say my middle name indicates that I am the 28th generation.
For those who are interested, the middle name (and corresponding generation) are as follows (so you can track which generation you, your father or your grandfather is from) - I have used the Mandarin pinyin for Romanization:
25. yuan (源) 26. pu (莆) 27. tian (田) 28. shi (仕) 29. ji (籍) 30. deng (登)
I have also heard that the 8th generation is the one with the famous General sent (presumably by the Emperor?) to maintain peace in the Southern region, and settled in Hainan. This would be consistent with the story that some of the long clan members (i.e., before the 8th generation moved to Guangdong instead (hence their descendants are Cantonese).
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Post by AvalineRyu on Jun 18, 2021 20:23:16 GMT -5
(...) 25. yuan (源) 26. pu (莆) 27. tian (田) 28. shi (仕) 29. ji (籍) 30. deng (登) (...) That list of generation names would mean I am the 30th generation, but I don't have the standard one of the clan. My brother doesn't have the standard one either, so it's not a gender thing in our case. Is this ji (籍) romanized as Chee in Hainanese?
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Post by AvalineRyu on May 25, 2022 7:34:51 GMT -5
My father claims there's a Leong (Dragon) clan hall in Singapore, but I can't verify this information as he was in his late teens when this happened, pre-smartphones and all that: He went to Singapore on a holiday with his father, ate Hainanese chicken rice at a restaurant next door to the ancestral hall, and was told there was another Dragon clan hall in Los Angeles.
According to him, the hall was grandiose. I'm not sure where to start as the Singapore Kiu Leong Tong Hall is a Lim hall dedicated to Mazu, and Leong Khay Hay Kuan seems to be a financial institution in the present day.
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Post by jasonwu on May 25, 2022 18:42:41 GMT -5
Hi AvalineRyu,
There does seem to be a Long clan association in Singapore, namely Long Tee Kong Whee, according to this website: ( link here). Google Maps Streetview clearly shows the association's name on the facade of the building at 23 Purvis St: ( link here).
As mentioned by the contributors of this thread, most of the Long clan members in Singapore seem to be of Hainanese origin. The following webpage describes in Chinese the story of the clan's progenitor settling in Wenchang County, Hainan as a military official, as mentioned by jl, and includes an extended generational poem for the Hainan branch: ( link here).
武陵發其源,莆田仕籍登,官聲著南粵,英傑垂繼承。 Wu Ling Fa Qi Yuan, Pu Tian Shi Ji Deng, Guan Sheng Zhao Nan Yue, Ying Jie Chui Ji Cheng. Rough translation: "Roots stemming from Wuling1, scholarly status achieved in Putian2, government official reputation in South Guangdong3, heroism to be inherited."
1 Wuling is a county-level district in Hunan Province.
2 Putian is a county-level city in Fujian Province.
3 Hainan was formerly a prefecture in Guangdong Province; it is now a province in its own right.
For the Cantonese branch, there does seem to be a hotspot for the clan in 大良 Tai Leung Subdistrict, the government seat of 順德 Shunde District. (Shunde being one of the three counties of the 三邑 Sanyi region aforementioned by Henry above, comprising the central area of the Pearl River Delta; Shunde are often credited for nurturing Cantonese cuisine and supplying cities such as Canton and Hong Kong with its chefs, allowing Cantonese cuisine to become one of the premier food divisions in China.) There are two sub-branches of the Tai Leung clan, namely 東門 Tung Mun "East Gate" and 碧鑑 Bik Gam. Their family trees are recorded in a 17 volume clan genealogy published in 1922 and available from FamilySearch.org ( link here).
-Jason
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Post by AvalineRyu on Jun 11, 2022 3:27:27 GMT -5
Thank you! I was trying to find the hall with the Hainanese spelling the whole time.
Another question: He said that one of his family's recurring myths is that one of his ancestral aunts ascended to godhood and became a rain deity. He has no sisters and no immediately known female paternal relatives. So I don't think it's an actual Long woman.
However, my guess is this aunt is Shui Wei Shen Niang or Mazu. Which of these two was more frequently worshipped in Wenchang?
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Post by gckimm on Jun 11, 2022 23:16:57 GMT -5
Hi AvalineRyu:
A quick internet search revealed that Wenchang is a center for the worship of Shui Wei Sheng Niang 水尾聖娘, who is a particularly Hainanese deity. My guess is that this is the goddess of whom your father spoke. She is often confused with Mazu 媽祖 (one article said that it is because they both wear red clothing), especially among Thai people of Chinese descent. Mazu, who was a member of the Lin 林 clan, is a major deity often called the Goddess of the Sea, while the worship of Shui Wei Sheng Niang, also a sea goddess, seems to be more localized.
I found out that the original name of Shui Wei Sheng Niang was Mo Liniang 莫麗娘 and she was born near the end of the Yuan dynasty or the beginning of the Ming dynasty, that is, around 1368. That is a long time ago. It is possible that one of your more remote Long ancestral relations married one of her sisters or brothers. If you get access to a genealogy, you will be able to see if this is true.
Greg
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Post by AvalineRyu on Sept 6, 2023 8:10:18 GMT -5
Checking in.
Another thing my dad claims is that Jingtou can't be found on a Hainanese map because its native name is Guluyuan, the same place the Soong sisters hail from. Were the Longs prolific in Wenchang or Guluyuan for that matter? Likely lined up with the Shui Wei Shen Niang story if so.
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Post by Henry on Sept 6, 2023 9:09:56 GMT -5
AvalineRyu, Two locations for Jingtou on Hainan - ask your dad to take a look at the names of the nearby villages to confirm the village location: www.google.com/maps/place/Jingtou+Village,+Wenchang,+Hainan,+China,+571324/@20.0171795,110.6343788,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m15!1m8!3m7!1s0x315173a2d256de8d:0x38bf973eda13f82e!2sJingtou,+Dingan,+Hainan,+China,+571223!3b1!8m2!3d19.56461!4d110.452428!16s%2Fg%2F1wd3sjfb!3m5!1s0x3153dcc63a4af51d:0x98bd3a52cbc0ff82!8m2!3d20.01716!4d110.6447!16s%2Fg%2F11rg8y9lmb?authuser=0&entry=ttu www.google.com/maps/place/Jingtou,+Dingan,+Hainan,+China,+571223/@19.5646296,110.4421068,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x315173a2d256de8d:0x38bf973eda13f82e!8m2!3d19.56461!4d110.452428!16s%2Fg%2F1wd3sjfb?authuser=0&entry=ttu Henry
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