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Post by FayChee on Jun 9, 2013 16:21:33 GMT -5
So, a little more info from Cypress Hills Cemetery: He is buried in Section 16, with an association listed as "Chung Wah Kung Saw" He is the only one buried there, at that grave and there are no other "Sen" names listed in other areas. There are several "Sien" names, in other sections, with ""Sien" as a surname, middle name and even a first name. They cannot tell me more on this without a connection from Sen to Sien families. The are sending me the original paperwork but it has no further info than this basic info. I finally know where he is and that an association, and extended family, did reach out to him. msen
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Post by FayChee on Jun 9, 2013 16:22:12 GMT -5
msen, That's very good news. It is almost certain that his Chinese name is on the tombstone, since his services was handled by a Chinese funeral home. Check with Wah Wing Sang what record do they have on your father. Keep us posted on any updates. If needed, I can ride out to Cypress Hills on a sunny weekend day to check it out. And Chung Wah Kung Saw is the Chinese Consolidated Benevolent Association.
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Post by FayChee on Jun 9, 2013 16:23:28 GMT -5
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Post by FayChee on Jun 9, 2013 16:27:46 GMT -5
Good job Fay Chee, this appears to be the marker. 冼厚信 (name: Xian Hou Xin) 鹤山 (He Xin) 平嶺 (Ping Ling) Note the date: 7-7-63 vs. 7-31-63 Will check about the variation of couple of Chinese characters.
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Post by FayChee on Jun 9, 2013 16:29:28 GMT -5
冼厚信 (Xian Hou Xin) [One Cantonese romanization: Sin Hau Seun] Hou = greatly or generous, Xin = trust or true 鹤山 (He Shan) [Hok Saan] Crane, Mountain or hill or peak 平嶺 (Ping Ling) [Ping Leng or Ling] Level or peaceful, Mountain ridge or mountain peak You are right Fay Chee, 山 is Shan. I must have written it incorrectly. Sorry. It gets confusing with the romanization. Googling shows various company names, example: 厚信酒窖=Hou Xin Wines Cellar. Google doesn't show a Xian HouXin, but with other more popular surnames, for example 林厚信 or Lin Houxin. So Jackie Robinson is there too.
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Post by FayChee on Jun 9, 2013 16:30:40 GMT -5
Wonderful news for Mara!!!! Mara is so excited that she asked me to post this news for her..........I am also having tearful eyes for her as our stories are so similar in every way....... As you know, Laohuaqiao is in the Kaiping area and through the kindness of his heart, took time out from his vacation to find out if there is a village called Pingling. So here it is........answers to our questions: "I visited Pingling today. Your father was the eldest of 5 brothers. The youngest brother is in his 80s and still alive. He, his children and grandchildren are living in Hong Kong. I met 2 of your cousins, children of the 4th brother in Pingling. The older one was born in 1950 and he knows of you 2 sisters. Your father's name Xian (Sen) Houxin on the tombstone is his generation name. Hou is the generation character. He is listed in the Xian genealogy book. His given name is Zhuosheng (Cheuk San in Cantonese), Cheuk became his American name Chuck. His brothers' names are Houbo, Houcheng, Houwang, and Houri (Shaoguang). Jimmy Sien's Chinese name is Houzhong and his 4 grandchildren and 6 great grandchildren are all in Hong Kong. Jimmy's grandfather, your father's grandfather and Choy Sen's father were brothers. " So, just like me, Mara has found her Chinese family after all of these years of not knowing..........we thank all of the generous and kind-hearted people on this forum, for providing us with guidance, encouragement, and peace of mind and heart. We can never thank you enough. Fay Chee and Mara Sen
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Post by FayChee on Jun 9, 2013 16:32:26 GMT -5
Wow. This is just wonderful.
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Post by FayChee on Jun 9, 2013 16:33:30 GMT -5
This is great news. Getting access to your jiapu is the Holy Grail of Chinese genealogy. I hope she tries to get a copy of the complete lineage of her clan. If not, she should emphasize copying sections 11,12,13 as discussed in This Wiki: Jiapuclick . It is important, if she cannot read Chinese, to have someone label or bookmark the page where her ancestor is located. Most Chinese-Western family historians stop their research at this point, having fulfilled their wish to find a link to their ancestors from China. (possession is 9/10's of the law). However, using your jiapu to trace and correlate your lineage through the world's historical events, you will get a sense of what might have gone through your ancestors' mind as they made family and life decisions which eventually brought you to your point in this world.
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Post by FayChee on Jun 9, 2013 16:34:39 GMT -5
Yes Doug, I can't wait to be able to do that. Currently, as Laohuaqiao and Fay Chee are aware, I am with a close cousin who is in hospice. Her last wish was to have our family reconnect and stay in touch for the future. All of this wonderful news will now allow that to happen. Thank you for the gift of family. Soon my Sis will join the forum and the journey continues.
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Post by arlsen on Jun 14, 2013 22:38:41 GMT -5
We are starting this new thread to make it easier for those seeking information on the surname Sen/Sin/Sien/Xian...........the original thread was started by Msen (Mara Sen) on the thread labeled "New to forum, please help" in Feb 2013. I will cut and paste some of the posts here. Hello Fay and Peter -- I am Mara's sister Arlene (Arl).no experience on forums so hope I get this to you. Want to so much thank you for Ching Ming. So touched. Also Peter thank you so so much. Arl
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Post by FayChee on Jun 15, 2013 23:06:32 GMT -5
Hi Arlene, Welcome to the Forum! You can learn alot about our heritage here and soon you will feel like this is your second home. I hope that you were able to see the pictures that I posted under Mara's original thread... "New to forum, please help". I had just did Ching Ming for my dad when Mara found that your dad was buried nearby........so I had just enough time and supplies to do Ching Ming for your dad too. I hope that one day you and Mara will come to New York for Ching Ming. I will be happy to take you to your dad's grave. In the meantime, I will do Ching Ming for both.
Fay Chee
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Post by FayChee on Jun 23, 2013 11:56:41 GMT -5
Mara, I forgot that I had the Chinese Exclusion Act INS documents on Choy Sen (your great Uncle) and just came across them while looking through my papers this morning. I would like to send them to you as they have alot of interesting family information (now that we know he is related to you and that Choy Sen is not a paper son name). I thought it was interesting to put his photos together.......... Fay Chee Mara, here is a synopsis of the info in the interrogation papers:
Name: Choy Sen Married name: Sin Dot Jee Born in 1869 in Peung Leung (Ping Leung) Village, Hok Shan District 1st came to USA: 1881 via San Francisco, stayed few months then went to New York Wife: Wong She, native of Duey Yong Village, S.W. District, lives in Ping Ning Village, S.N. District. Adopted son in 1907 at age 6, named Sen Wee Sun Son born in 1912, named Sin Dor Status: Laborer, Laundryman
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Post by msen on Jun 24, 2013 17:20:56 GMT -5
Yes, I forgot too. Now we have another piece of the puzzle with photos. Will send you my address. Thanks Fay Chee!
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Post by arlsen on Jun 27, 2013 15:17:35 GMT -5
Yes, I forgot too. Now we have another piece of the puzzle with photos. Will send you my address. Thanks Fay Chee!
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Post by FayChee on Jun 27, 2013 18:04:08 GMT -5
Hi Arlene, I sent the documents (about 22 pages) to Mara already, but if you want your own copies, I can attach the copies I scanned in PDF format, and email them to you.
Fay Chee
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