Zheng jiapu

[dragonchef]

Certainly a sobering article on the complexities of the Chinese language, Doug.

I guess I won't be holding my breath for an upcoming wenyanwen to english app.

[philiptancl]

Dragonchef

This is your second chart from First Ancestor Zheng, i.e. Zheng Huan Gong (鄭桓公), down to the Fujian First Ancestor Zheng, i.e. Zheng Zhao Gong (鄭昭公). For better access for those interested on Zheng (鄭) clan, I shall be posting the charts in the section • Clan Progenitor References under new thread to be created there.




Philip

[laohuaqiao]

dragonchef,
I have contact info for Jinpu Zheng clan, please check your messages.

[hays]

Hi Phillip,
When did Zheng Zhao Gong live ?

Thanks,
Steve

[liuyao]

Very interesting. A fine jiapu of your direct ancestry that must have been gleaned from a full-scale zupu.

laohuaqiao's interpretation was, as always, very accurate, and I was caught by the claim that one person was buried outside Xuanwumen, Beijing. That would have been impossible, as it was a bustling district inside the City Wall, and in fact a residential district home to many government officials. I went and checked with the original, and it was stated that he actually DIED outisde Xuanwumen.

I'm curious who this person was and in what post he served in the government. Behinds every single name must be very interesting life stories, and it's too bad that, as often happens, only the dates of birth and death were recorded, leaving out any actual biography.

In additional to all the complexity of classical Chinese, it could be especially difficult, even for the Chinese literate, to identify certain handwritten words. For instance, this person who died in Beijing at age 18, his zi name was 可德, but the 德 was written "in cursive". For most purposes, I would like to recommend a dictionary, with the most complete "variants" for each character, compiled by the ministry of education in Taiwan and freely available at dict.variants.moe.edu.tw (You'd need to know how to look up a character by radical + remaining strokes)

I'm glad to find someone that had some connection with Beijing, as often in this forum people trace their ancestry to Fujian or Guangdong, and I'm of little help not knowing the local dialects.

By the way, have you tried out Geni? It would be easier to record and discuss incremental progress, and I'll be happy to assist you there too. Maybe we'll be able to trace it back to the progenitor of the Zheng surname.

[philiptancl]

Hi Steve,

Sorry I had not come to the Forum for quite some time and did not read your query earlier. I was pre-occupied with many other things that are going on at the same time.

As to your query and from I could gauge, Zheng Zhao Gong (鄭昭公)’s father Xiang Gong (鄭庠公) was an army general and he “迁福建泉州 西普永嘉”.

Philip.

[davch77]

My family name is Chang (Zhang).  My father is from Dimgong, Hoiping. He left there in 1906. How can I get someone to find my jiapu?  I don't speak or read Chinese.

[jeremychin]

davch77, 

You have posted in the thread for the surname Zheng 鄭. It is seeming like your surname is Zhang, aka: Chang, Cheung, or 張. You will need to know the village name in Chinese characters as well as the names of a few of your paternal ancestors in Chinese characters as well. Most of the Jiapus (family genealogy books) come directly from the villages themselves, but you can often find Zupus (surname Genealogy books") for certain areas online in places like familysearch.org. If you have some of this information, it may be better to create a new thread to ask your questions and share the information you have, so it gets more traction and views. You can also look at this thread for more information on the Zhang clan progenitors that came into Southern China: siyigenealogy.proboards.com/thread/1253/zhang-cheung-teoh-teo-clan. I am also looking for the Zhang tree leading into Hoiping. 

- Jeremy