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Post by wonton888 on Dec 13, 2018 17:37:48 GMT -5
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Post by jeremychin on Dec 14, 2018 11:53:09 GMT -5
Wonton88,
Which gedmatch test do you think is the best?
Very intetesting articles!
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Post by wonton888 on Dec 14, 2018 16:46:21 GMT -5
Eurogenes K9b,K36 MDLP K23b HarappaWorld
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Post by kawaplar on Nov 20, 2019 23:39:27 GMT -5
Hey there Jeremy, just wanted to add some info on your paternal lineage, Q-M120... M120 (aka Q1a1a1) is a rather uncommon lineage. It is thought to have originated near the Altai region in Xinjiang, bordering Russia, Mongolia, and Kazakhstan, and was rather widely dispersed in ancient times, as far west as the Cimmerians (the real Cimmerians whom Conan the Barbarian's tribe was based off of), but in the modern day is mostly restricted to East and Southeast Asia, particularly among some Northern Chinese groups. It's closest extant relatives include the Eskimo-Aleut Q-B143 and the Turko-Iranian Q-M25; more distantly, it is also a relative of the dominant Native American Q-M3, and M120-carrying peoples may have been connected to various tribes in recorded history such as the Xiongnu (匈奴), Xianbei (鮮卑), and Jie (羯), the latter of whom are likely related to the Ket of Siberia and the Navajo of Arizona. Modern research speculates that the ancient nomadic pastoralist M120 tribes made their way south and east into the North China Plain somewhere between 3 and 5000 years ago, where they encountered the native Sinitic millet farmers who mostly belonged to Haplogroup O3/O2a (which nowadays is the dominant haplogroup in China and on this forum), with perhaps a smattering of other O subclades, N1, and C2e. They would go on to form kingdoms like the Peng in modern day Shanxi, and their descendants likely also founded the Song dynasty (in fact I think I saw a 趙 on this forum claiming royal Song descent with the M120 haplogroup). Rather interesting, because the Song is usually considered to be a southern dynasty, yet its progenitors were from Henan and carried one of the most "northern" markers that exists at frequencies greater than 1% in modern Chinese. It seems that your distant great-grandfathers had gradually pushed down south (perhaps to flee politics and wars happening in the north), intermarrying with the locals of varied Tai-Kadai, Hmong-Mien, and Austroasiatic ancestry among other tribes, which would explain why your 23andme autosomal results do not indicate any "northern" ancestry. However, your Y-chromosome proves far-flung links to the steppe; the 0.1% Siberian that your father got may just be a relic of that ancient ancestor. Who knows, maybe your family is a descendant of the Song that for whatever reason (political turmoil, out-of-wedlock events) changed their surname, as M-120 is extremely rare among most communities in Southern China, particularly farming communities who tend to be overwhelmingly (~95%) O, and who also make up the solid majority of Chinese diaspora. For more info, check out this article: www.researchgate.net/publication/333847488_Phylogeography_of_Y-chromosome_haplogroup_Q1a1a-M120_a_paternal_lineage_connecting_populations_in_Siberia_and_East_Asia. It's worth noting that according to the contour map, some parts of southern China have elevated frequencies of M120. These may be founder effects related to the Song or other northern migrants. On a final note, if one traces their father's line back, you share a more recent paternal ancestor with Robert Downey Jr. and Donald Trump (both belong to R1b, the most common Western European clade and a descendant of Q's sister R), Gaelic-Viking warlord Somerled (R1a), and nuclear physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer (also Q, though of the Jewish Q2 subclade) than with most Chinese (~0-4% Q, including M120 and other subclades), Koreans (~1-2%), and almost all Japanese people (~0-0.5%, though some maps indicate 1-2% in Tohoku). Weird how ancient migrations work, huh?
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Post by itschac on Apr 12, 2020 6:13:02 GMT -5
My Haplogroup mtDNA is L2a1c1, my tribe is igbo da nigeria, tested by African Ancestry.com.
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Post by itschac on Apr 12, 2020 6:17:18 GMT -5
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Post by mailon on Jul 28, 2020 1:55:01 GMT -5
How do you transfer your 23andme data into Wegene?
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Post by jenninbel on Apr 23, 2024 19:24:08 GMT -5
I was doing a search of my children's paternal halogroup and they are O-P164. Do you have more information about this? All I can figure out is that the male ancestral line likely came from the Gook Doo area.
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Post by merantau on Apr 25, 2024 9:34:15 GMT -5
I assume you used a Western microarray-based service to obtain the Y-haplogroup. They will rarely have the probes to get higher resolution haplogroups for haplogroup O since they only form a small minority of Western populations.
Here's the (expandable) tree under O-P164 from 23mofang:-
Here are Zhengs who are O-P164 and have used 23mofang's service living in Zhongshan city/county.
It appears that (known) Zhengs in this county are either O-Z24515 (TMRCA 1410 ybp) or O-F317 (TMRCA 1630 ybp), both of which are part of O-P164. Both patrilines are quite distinct and separated ~17Kyr ago - surnames can be adopted by more than one group and any adoptions of males by clan members further confound the picture. Also, both these clades have further subdivisions but they haven't used services that extend the haplogroups further (and lower TMRCA). With the low resolution of your haplogroup and only moderate resolution of theirs, there isn't all that much evidence to be able to show a relationship.
* time to most recent common male ancestor. Wide bounds!
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