Asian DNA percentages in Caucasians and info
Feb 7, 2018 15:00:38 GMT -5
Post by seemex on Feb 7, 2018 15:00:38 GMT -5
A couple of years ago I was contacted by a relative in the UK who had done a DNA test on Ancestry. It showed that she had a 6% Asian mix in her otherwise British line. I was asked if I would take the same test to see if her results were supported. I did so, along with another somewhat removed cousin, and we both tested similarly. As we are all reasonably sure of the paternal line, at least as far back as great grandparents, who came from the Manchester area of England, the likely source of the Asian mixture would have come from the great grandfather's spouse ( mate )
My great grandfather went to Fuzhou n 1865 as a tea inspector with WR Adamson and remained there until the late 1880s and its assumed he formed some sort of laisson there.
During the period he was in China, he managed to father four children. My grandfather, his two brothers and a sister. Of the four offspring, three were known to us, and one was discovered later, but long after he passed away.
My great grandfather returned to the UK about 1886, married, had two more children and died there in 1894.
A short time ago, I discovered a letter, that mentioned a legacy or inheritance. In the letter it was referred to simply as "G's Legacy" I had no idea who "G" might be, but there was one clue, and address of a property in Hong Kong, at Moreton Terrace. The house was to be sold, and the funds would be apportioned to the heirs. It seems that "G" died intestate so my grandfather and his sister were granted letters of administration. At this point we still had no idea who she was.
"G" died in 1937, and some initial funds were disbursed to the family after the funeral expenses were taken care of, but the final settlement was not done until 1940 following the sale of the Moreton Terrace property.
I did a search of the land records and found the name associated with the property. It was "Kot Choy" In earlier years it was actually listed as "Mr Kot Choy" I had no clue as to who this might be. Maybe it was a friend or a business associate, but it was no one any of us had ever heard of.
Then I had a stroke of luck. While scanning old newspaper articles, I came across an item in the Hong Kong Daily Press for Feb 1937. The item pertained to the estate of a British widow named Anna Hunter, alias Goot Choi, alias "Kot Choy" and also also Cot Choy, who had passed away at her residence at 11 Shelley Street in Hong Kong.
Her four children are mentioned by name along with their ages and the address is the same as was listed for our Hunter family prior to their move to Shanghai in the early 1920s.
Anna Hunter is buried at Saint Michael's Catholic Cemetery at Happy Valley. We have no idea as to who she was or where she came from, but our suspicions are that she may have from Fuzhou, and was either 100% Asian or possible a Eurasian mix of 50% or more. My sole clue now, is the Choy or Choi name and the original connection my great grandfather had to Fuzhou. I have no records of my grandfather or his sister's birth. He always said he was born in Hong Kong, but his sister's passport said she was from Fuzhou so it's anyone's guess. I have a record of my grandfather attending the Diocesan School in Hong Kong at a very early age...like about 6 years old, but neither his brothers nor his sister attended.
My questions to the group are broad. I'm looking for any possible clues as to where I might begin to look. Is there a records database for Fuzhou? Is there a recommendation for Chinese DNA, that I may have a hope of finding a match to? I see a lot of you use 23 and Me. Is there a better chance for Asian hits there? I'm on Gedmatch and also on FTDna. Is there any clues in the name? "Kot" sounds odd for a Chinese name, and I haven't really found anything that matches. Also I'm not sure if the property registration in Hong Kong listed Kot Choy using the english way like John Smith, or Smith, John? I've recently seen where my grandfather was rumored to have been one quarter Chinese. That would certainly enforce my own roughly 6% share.
Lastly, my apologies if I'm posting in the wrong place but I figured I may as well start at the beginning and maybe move the post later. I really am up against the "Great Wall" here, so any ideas at would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Brian Hunter Beesley.
Vancouver
PS: In about 1924 when my mother an her sister were sent from Shanghai to school in England, my grandfather took them to see the gravestone that he had erected for his father. Also engraved was the name of his wife, who had just passed away. He made it clear to his daughters that he had placed the stone "out of respect for his father" and that the stone was "of Granite" I found it odd that he would have included the wife, when it seems that this man had possible abandoned his children when he left them to fend for themselves. Four young children with only their mother? I wonder if this is some indication of a clash of cultures that may have existed then?
It seems that children born of mixed parentage, while they could have had legal familial rights, they may also have carried or been subjected to some prejudicial aspects as well?
My great grandfather went to Fuzhou n 1865 as a tea inspector with WR Adamson and remained there until the late 1880s and its assumed he formed some sort of laisson there.
During the period he was in China, he managed to father four children. My grandfather, his two brothers and a sister. Of the four offspring, three were known to us, and one was discovered later, but long after he passed away.
My great grandfather returned to the UK about 1886, married, had two more children and died there in 1894.
A short time ago, I discovered a letter, that mentioned a legacy or inheritance. In the letter it was referred to simply as "G's Legacy" I had no idea who "G" might be, but there was one clue, and address of a property in Hong Kong, at Moreton Terrace. The house was to be sold, and the funds would be apportioned to the heirs. It seems that "G" died intestate so my grandfather and his sister were granted letters of administration. At this point we still had no idea who she was.
"G" died in 1937, and some initial funds were disbursed to the family after the funeral expenses were taken care of, but the final settlement was not done until 1940 following the sale of the Moreton Terrace property.
I did a search of the land records and found the name associated with the property. It was "Kot Choy" In earlier years it was actually listed as "Mr Kot Choy" I had no clue as to who this might be. Maybe it was a friend or a business associate, but it was no one any of us had ever heard of.
Then I had a stroke of luck. While scanning old newspaper articles, I came across an item in the Hong Kong Daily Press for Feb 1937. The item pertained to the estate of a British widow named Anna Hunter, alias Goot Choi, alias "Kot Choy" and also also Cot Choy, who had passed away at her residence at 11 Shelley Street in Hong Kong.
Her four children are mentioned by name along with their ages and the address is the same as was listed for our Hunter family prior to their move to Shanghai in the early 1920s.
Anna Hunter is buried at Saint Michael's Catholic Cemetery at Happy Valley. We have no idea as to who she was or where she came from, but our suspicions are that she may have from Fuzhou, and was either 100% Asian or possible a Eurasian mix of 50% or more. My sole clue now, is the Choy or Choi name and the original connection my great grandfather had to Fuzhou. I have no records of my grandfather or his sister's birth. He always said he was born in Hong Kong, but his sister's passport said she was from Fuzhou so it's anyone's guess. I have a record of my grandfather attending the Diocesan School in Hong Kong at a very early age...like about 6 years old, but neither his brothers nor his sister attended.
My questions to the group are broad. I'm looking for any possible clues as to where I might begin to look. Is there a records database for Fuzhou? Is there a recommendation for Chinese DNA, that I may have a hope of finding a match to? I see a lot of you use 23 and Me. Is there a better chance for Asian hits there? I'm on Gedmatch and also on FTDna. Is there any clues in the name? "Kot" sounds odd for a Chinese name, and I haven't really found anything that matches. Also I'm not sure if the property registration in Hong Kong listed Kot Choy using the english way like John Smith, or Smith, John? I've recently seen where my grandfather was rumored to have been one quarter Chinese. That would certainly enforce my own roughly 6% share.
Lastly, my apologies if I'm posting in the wrong place but I figured I may as well start at the beginning and maybe move the post later. I really am up against the "Great Wall" here, so any ideas at would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Brian Hunter Beesley.
Vancouver
PS: In about 1924 when my mother an her sister were sent from Shanghai to school in England, my grandfather took them to see the gravestone that he had erected for his father. Also engraved was the name of his wife, who had just passed away. He made it clear to his daughters that he had placed the stone "out of respect for his father" and that the stone was "of Granite" I found it odd that he would have included the wife, when it seems that this man had possible abandoned his children when he left them to fend for themselves. Four young children with only their mother? I wonder if this is some indication of a clash of cultures that may have existed then?
It seems that children born of mixed parentage, while they could have had legal familial rights, they may also have carried or been subjected to some prejudicial aspects as well?