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Post by seemex on Jun 21, 2018 14:43:54 GMT -5
Looking for any C7 haplogroup tracing maternal line. I am researching C7a2 in particular but interested in the C7 as a whole and descendents
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Post by lcchanex on Aug 2, 2018 8:48:53 GMT -5
Hi! seemex,
I'm a C7a1 descendent in China, if you still have interest on researching this, please contact me.
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Post by seemex on Aug 2, 2018 9:56:28 GMT -5
Hi, Thanks for the response. Yes I am interested n the C7a group. We have a C7a2 that we suspect began with our great grandmother, likely in Fuzhou in the 1800s ( the group of course very old but she herself entered our family then ) We have a direct female line from her. We do not know who she was exactly, as she went by several names, one British and several more Asian aliases. She is buried in Hong Kong
Brian
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Post by Doug 周 on Aug 4, 2018 15:15:10 GMT -5
what genetic service are you two using to get your mitochondrial haplogroup? My 23&Me does not provide such service.
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Post by cidnykkay on Sept 12, 2018 22:26:00 GMT -5
I just got my 23andMe results - I'm C7a. Hiya haplogroup C7a friends!
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Post by seemex on Sept 12, 2018 23:29:42 GMT -5
Welcome aboard! Do you know your background? Are you Caucasian or Chinese? Eurasian? Any ideas? We are Caucasian but a with recent MCA.
Have a great grandmother who had Asian genetics. Probably from Foochow.
B
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Post by seemex on Sept 13, 2018 0:25:04 GMT -5
I used FTDNA
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Post by cidnykkay on Sept 13, 2018 20:54:25 GMT -5
I have no European blood in me; I'm all Chinese (with the exception of 4% Vietnamese). My mother and her siblings are all from hong kong; cantonese is our mother tongue. I need to ask around about my great grandmother and great great grandmother What is MCA?
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Post by LJ on Oct 22, 2021 1:58:06 GMT -5
Hi Brian,
By "MCA," did you mean "MRCA," which stands for "most recent common ancestor"?
Best regards, LJeung
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Post by seemex on Feb 28, 2022 18:16:36 GMT -5
I'm sorry to everyone that I have not been looking here for messages. I guess I had given up on learning more. As for the question of MCA, I probably did mean MRCA. The member of my family who has the C7a2 comes down a line from my grandfather's sister who I'm fairly sure was born in Foochow. My reasoning for this is that her father ( my GGF ) went out to Foochow from England in 1865. As was the rule back then, the men couldn't marry for the first 5 or 10 years, so they sometimes made an arrangement with a local woman to be a live-in companion or whatever. In our case, whatever the union was, and whoever it was with, it produced four children between 1874 and 1879.T here was only one girl ( May ) my GFs sister. May married in 1903 to a man of Scottish parentage who was born in Shanghai. They had a a son and three daughters. Of those three, only one had a daughter, and she in turn also had a daughter ( our present C7a2 ) So we have a five generation MTDNA line, from our mystery ancestor. This woman would have been born about 1853 and according to obituaries, died in Hong Kong in 1937. Her name was Anne Hunter alias Kot Choy or Goot Choy. She is buried at St Michael's Catholic Cemetery at Happy Valley, Hong Kong. Though I have her date of birth, and death, names, burial records, and land registry for her property, I have no idea who she really was or where she came from, other than she was C7a2.
As for our Ancestry DNA ethnicity estimates ( which I realize are just guesses ) mine is about 6% East Asian. My female relative who has the C7a2 is also about 6% East Asian. Her mother also did the standard autosomal test at Ancestry and she was 12% East Asian. My own MT is a different line, but I did find a family line record where one of the relatives made note that my grandfather was 1/4 Chinese. Further to this, I searched through many hundreds of my Ancestry matches, checking for any Asian in their ethnic estimate. There were zero besides my C7a2 cousin and her mother.
I was contacted last year by a lady in Europe who had adopted a Chinese baby some 25 years ago. They had no idea where she was from but this girl decided to do a test at Ancestry and I came up as a match. It was a very small match and would normally be considered as "noise" were it not for my knowledge of my own family background. All I could give was that I thought the origins may have been Foochow. She was able to find some closer matches from this, but of course nothing that would yield a known live match.
One last note! I also uploaded my own DNA to Gedmatch and Wegene. Wegene gives a slightly higher Asian mix for me...about 7-8% compared to Ancestry's 6%
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Post by LJ on Mar 8, 2022 7:08:13 GMT -5
Hi seemex,
No problem about not checking here for messages. I'm very happy to see your response. To get notifications whenever a member makes a post, view that member's profile and click the Follow button in the upper right corner of that profile.
Thank you for the clarification about MCA and the additional information.
None of the DNA test kits that I manage at 23andMe and FTDNA has mitochondrial haplogroup C7a2 (I also manage kits at AncestryDNA and MyHeritage, but these companies do not provide haplogroup information). At GEDmatch though, one of the kits does have a match with C7a2.
I recommend that in order to get a better idea of who your great-grandmother really was or where she came from, you will need to get information about her that is in Chinese. It might provide her name and the names of her parents and her birthplace. Have you come across any such information, such as documents or grave inscriptions?
Your AncestryDNA ethnicity estimates for you and your two female relatives who have C7a2 fits very well that your great-grandmother was approximately 50% East Asian. That there were zero other matches with Asian in their ethnic estimates in the many hundreds of Ancestry matches that you searched through means that you will have to wait for more people to take the Ancestry test.
The girl whose adoptive mother contacted you last year must have been one of the matches that you missed in your search? Since the match between the two of you was very small, she must have been a 5th - 8th cousin?
If you like, we can discuss in private messages the DNA kits we uploaded to GEDmatch. I have not uploaded any kits to WeGene though.
Cheers! LJeung
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Post by seemex on Feb 12, 2023 1:35:43 GMT -5
LJeung, Again I must apologize for my response. I have become so accustomed to never getting any answers that I stop looking. I have now clicked on the "Follow" icon so hope it works. You're correct that the Chinese adoptee would be very far removed and would likely have attributed to noise or error had it not been for the fact that I had knowledge of my heritage. My mysterious GGM is buried in HK. She died as Anne Hunter alias Kot Choy. She was buried at the St Michael's Catholic Cemetery at Happy Valley. The date on the grave is Born sept 8 1854 and death Jan 31 1937. She owned land in Hong Kong. First was 20 Hollywood Road in 1887, then 11 Shelley Street from 1899 until she died. Her granddaughter lived there until her death in 1944. The GDaughter died as Ellen Hunter alias Fok Shuk Wah ( her father, my great uncle was James Hunter who died in 1937. He also had a Chinese alias of Fok Chi Sing. All properties were held only under the name Kot Choy ( sometimes Mr Kot Choy ) The last home was 4 Moreton Terrace which was sold in 1937 after she died. I have the property records on file. I agree Kot Choy was 50% or more Chinese, or South east Asian of some group, possible further south or even Malaya. She was a secret. She was never mentioned. The only letter I found referred to her as "G" as in "G"s Legacy when the family divided up her estate. She seemed to have been well off. If she owned the lease at 20 Hollywood Road in 1887 she's have been just 33 years old. My grandfather and his brothers are on the Juror's List 1898-1912 or so with the early address being 1 Old Bailey Street, which is the same building as 20 Hollywood Road. I've searched old newspapers but only then ones I can read in English. My email is bbeesley@telus.net I would love to hear your views at your convenience. Thanks again Brian Vancouver, BC
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