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Post by jasonwu on Jan 19, 2019 11:42:16 GMT -5
FayChee,
You have done so much to help Sophie, and demonstrated using a wide range of translation methods for the rest of us, so I really applaud you for that!
You are correct about the typographical errors, which occur quite often throughout many modern printed zupus because no one is manually writing the characters. Sometimes this is due to simplification of characters, sometimes to do with mistakenly/misguidedly using characters with similar Pinyin spelling or Taishanese pronunciation. In this case, here were some discrepancies: - 健 Jian vs. 建 Jian as in Jian Bang and Jian Wei - 荃 Quan vs. 旋 Xuan as in You Quan - 薰 Xun vs. 芬 Fen as in Yi Xun
For 裔薰 Yi Xun/裔芬 Yi Fen (both pronounced Yui Foon in Taishanese), I did the research based the Chun Wo genealogy which you previously shared me with. In it, the name 裔芬 Yi Fen was used on page 20 of that book, where he is linked to his three sons 秉忠, 秉信 (your ancestor), and 秉義 (Sophie's ancestor). In the scans of the new book which you've provided above, the name 裔薰 Yi Xun was used in the header of all the pages for his descendants. Perhaps in Vol 1 裔芬 Yi Fen is shown instead of 裔芬 Yi Fen?
According to the Chun Wo genealogy, this is the lineage from the first gen. progenitor to 裔薰 Yi Xun/裔芬 Yi Fen: 宣翁一廣翁一德亮 (my common ancestor with you two!) 一子義一通輔一伯達一舜仁一禘成一康保一春和一友松一惠民一紹貞一學修一以臨一裔薰/裔芬
Jason
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Post by FayChee on Jan 19, 2019 15:17:33 GMT -5
Hi Jason, I just found it! It is Yi Xun and I am embarrassed to tell you that I spent so many hours searching in Volume 4 instead of Volume 1. They are the exact same size and I still cannot read numbers without my 'cheat-sheet' beside me..... Generations 1 to 10: Generations 7 to 16:
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Post by FayChee on Jan 19, 2019 16:32:56 GMT -5
Sophie, You can now write your family tree from Generation 1 to 28! Going back to the year 1127 when Xuan Weng, progenitor of the Situ Clan, came to Guangdong......here is the story that I was given.... Fay Chee
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Post by chakrajuices on Jan 19, 2019 19:57:27 GMT -5
Jason, WOW! Cousins! I should have known that really having the same Surname there would be a common ancestor somewhere in the Family Tree! Thank you for your post and help!
Fay, thank you for your research too! Amazing work, finding out how far back I can trace my ancestors too - Generation 1 to 28 ... absolutely FANTASTIC!
Doug, you are right visiting one's ancestral village paramount to finding one's ancestors!
I will share Eddie Chen's journey when I speak with him hopefully today.
Sophie
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Post by FayChee on Jan 19, 2019 20:26:43 GMT -5
Sophie and Jason,
I have added names to the two charts for Generation 1 to 16..........
Fay Chee
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Post by helen on Feb 7, 2019 5:01:56 GMT -5
Happy New Year Sophie and Fay Chee - a fantastic beginning of the new journey. Congratulations to you all.
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Post by FayChee on Feb 7, 2019 9:41:30 GMT -5
Thank you Helen! Happy Chinese Lunar New Year to you and everyone here on SiYi!
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Post by chakrajuices on Feb 10, 2019 4:04:59 GMT -5
Hi Everyone, I have spoken to Eddie Chen and he has shared his trip to my Grandfather's village.
Eddie travelled 2 hours to get to my grandfather's village and had photos of my grandfather and the grandchildren.
He saw a couple of men sitting down near the village entrance and walked up to them and asked if they knew my grandfather and/or the grandchildren.
One gentleman knew of my grandfather's brother's son and took him to his house as he still lived there.
From there my cousin was able to share what information he had about my grandfather and his children and grand children.
This cousin then gave Eddie Chen one of my grandfather's grandchildren's telephone number and Eddie was able to speak to them directly on the phone.
Eddie said my relatives are very happy that I want to contact them and find out more about my grandfather's family in China.
So, I haven't spoken to any family member/s in China yet - Eddie is currently in China so we will be able to contact them via WeChat when he returns to Sydney.
Again thank you to EVERYONE for helping me out and I look forward to meeting my family one day in China.
With much appreciation and gratitude. Sophie
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Post by Doug 周 on Feb 10, 2019 12:22:49 GMT -5
... had photos of my grandfather and the grandchildren.He saw a couple of men sitting down near the village entrance and walked up to them and asked if they knew my grandfather and/or the grandchildren…. This is such a common theme from westerners who make ancestral village visits. Whenever researchers meet local villagers, the network lights up, mobile phone or in-person contacts initiated, and everyone helps to get families in touch. Many westerners bring photos or family heirlooms for further proof of family. This is not necessary as a well researched verbal history with Chinese characters is frequently all that is needed. Whereas mainland Chinese are considered aloof, the guanxi 关系 that breaks down barriers are the three words ‘you are family’. Family is still very important to Chinese. Maybe this is a selection bias. Maybe people who are diligent enough to give feedback only do so when they are successful. Over the years of moderating, I recall only one feedback where there was a failure to achieve the genealogical goal. That was from a search in Shenzhen, a huge megapolis, where many of the original villagers have been displaced. Maybe the smaller villages, as in Taishan (SiYi) retain more local villagers? I have just commissioned a search for my family in Guangzhou; looking forward to comparing search locality results. IMHO
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Post by FayChee on Feb 10, 2019 13:48:03 GMT -5
What a wonderful story Chakrajuices! It is heart-warming to know that you have made a close connection with your Ancestral Village and close relatives! Please keep us posted .........
Fay Chee
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Post by chakrajuices on Feb 10, 2019 20:12:25 GMT -5
I certainly will Fay Chee - now that I know we are cousins I've forgotten how many times removed!
Maybe we will catch up one day too😍
Sophie
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Post by helen on Feb 16, 2019 21:38:37 GMT -5
Hi Everyone, I have spoken to Eddie Chen and he has shared his trip to my Grandfather's village. Eddie travelled 2 hours to get to my grandfather's village and had photos of my grandfather and the grandchildren. He saw a couple of men sitting down near the village entrance and walked up to them and asked if they knew my grandfather and/or the grandchildren. One gentleman knew of my grandfather's brother's son and took him to his house as he still lived there. Thank goodness the old folks do not keep themselves locked up inside their houses. That is the way I have found out family history - by looking for the oldest people in the village. The market place is the best place to find them. They will be sitting there sharing a talk with others - before heading off home to cook their lunch.
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