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Post by yuklien on Jun 10, 2019 20:06:19 GMT -5
My grandfather was from 中山樂群鄉永厚村. My grandmother was from 南文村. Both villages, which are within walking distance of each other, are in Lung Doo District. Using instructions from several sources on how to use Google maps (and a lot of cutting and pasting), I THINK I found the villages. Wing Hou Village: 22°31'17.2"N 113°19'18.1"E 22.521443, 113.321701 G8CC+HM Zhongshan, Guangdong, China
Nam Man Village (Nam Wen Cun): 22°27'50.8"N 113°17'05.0"E 22.464097, 113.284714 Question 1: How can I be certain that I really found the villages? I would appreciate any advice/help that you can give me. Question 2: If I really did find the villages, how do I make contact with anyone there? Going to China in person is entirely out of the question for me, but I would like to find any possible relatives.
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Post by lachinatown on Jun 11, 2019 8:00:25 GMT -5
Looks good, since both are "within walking distance of each other".
Some of our experts will come along to help you soon. Older village people will assist you in the village if you have the Chinese characters. Do you have names of relatives?
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Post by yuklien on Jun 11, 2019 13:17:53 GMT -5
Thank you for acknowledging my post.
My grandfather was 荼慧漙. My grandmother was 蕭寶珍.
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Post by douglaslam on Jun 19, 2019 19:44:12 GMT -5
yuklien, 蕭寶珍 is a good guide that your grandmother is a native of Nam Wen or as I'd prefer it, Nam Mun in Cantonese. It is a village next to mine. Surprisingly, I am not familiar with 樂群鄉永厚村 if it was as you said within walking distance from Nam Mun. I can get it checked by Wechat in no time at all.
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Post by yuklien on Jul 1, 2019 13:02:51 GMT -5
Thank you. I would appreciate it.
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Post by douglaslam on Jul 2, 2019 7:55:45 GMT -5
yuklien, I would not call 樂群鄉永厚村 within walking distance from Nam Mun lest the people get around on foot or if you're lucky on bicycle in the past. It is opposite our prolific contributor Doug周 mother's village. The villages amalgamated as one I think.
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Post by yuklien on Jul 2, 2019 13:17:27 GMT -5
Douglaslam,
All that I know about my grandparents was gathered from their NARA interviews. My grandfather went back to China in 1911 and married a young girl from Nam Mun. They stayed in Wing Hou for several months before travelling back to Oakland, California. During that time, my grandmother’s brothers walked to Wing Hou to visit her, so I assumed that the villages were within walking distance.
If the villages were amalgamated, does that mean that neither one now exists?
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Post by Doug 周 on Jul 3, 2019 9:37:45 GMT -5
...All that I know about my grandparents was gathered from their NARA interviews…. Based on what you wrote, be very concerned about using National Archives Record Administration information as your primary source of information for Chinese entering the US in the midst of the Exclusion period. There is a huge amount of confabulation with the interviewers, usually for financial gain. These valuable NARA interviews should only be used to confirm what other information you have gleaned from your oral histories. IMHO
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Post by douglaslam on Jul 4, 2019 8:59:32 GMT -5
yuklien, I am a little hazy about the village(s) concerned. I was told they are there but unified under one name I believe.
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Post by yuklien on Jul 4, 2019 17:42:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the warning. Unfortunately, these interviews (both grandfather's re-entry and grandmother's entry, as well as business records) are the only information (besides ship manifests and grandparents' tombstone) that I have. I will certainly try not to take everything at face value.
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Post by yuklien on Jul 4, 2019 17:44:39 GMT -5
Do you think the unified village would have a "new" name?
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Post by Doug 周 on Jul 4, 2019 18:09:35 GMT -5
Grandparent's tombstone engravings are a valuable and reliable source of heritage information. The 'dead don't lie' . Even though they may have died mid last century in the new world, there was a generational desire to have their bones repatriated back to the ancestral villages in China. The engravings would give guidance. This was why the Six Companies became powerful; they sold insurance to the Chinese to guarantee that the bones would be dug up and sent back to China. Tombstones have accurate information.
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Post by tyuti1668 on Jul 4, 2019 20:45:48 GMT -5
It's ~6 miles(by toady's map) btw 2 villages . Within walking distance or NOT depends how strong u are That infamous 嵐霞坎 isn't a joke in old dates!!! Someone from lower Longdu (Today's 大涌鎮) may view Shekki still within walking distance other than those "樂群鄉" villages in upper Longdu. === www.zsda.cn/uploads/book/zhuanyezhi/dimingzhi/30.htmFrom the link above, we know: 1. "蔡" clan settled there earlier than "缪" clan (which I had some remote relatives had that unusual surname) 2. After 1949 "永厚环" kicked away from good old 永厚. Pls research it's "永厚环" (aka "新村") or the proper "永厚". Anyway it's not so big unlike 南文... btw. map.qq.com & map.baidu.com had "street view" of that area.
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Post by yuklien on Jul 5, 2019 13:28:32 GMT -5
Thank you for all the information. I'll use Google Translate to try to understand what it all means.
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Post by yuklien on Jun 11, 2020 18:20:41 GMT -5
Would you know where Doug's mother's village is? At least it would give me a general idea of where my grandfather's village was. Thank you.
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