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Post by Henry on Aug 27, 2019 13:11:56 GMT -5
karebear, From my experience, I have never seen the Chinese name of a paper son on the the gravestone of a paper son - it is usually the characters for his real Chinese name. Since your grandfather's gravestone was prepared by his father, your great grand father, he may have listed both the birth/milk names & the marriage names of your grandfather & great grandfather. Even providing photos of the gravestones of your father's relative is not really going to help. At this point, in order to clarify these kinship relationships - you are going to need the a copy of your Jung/Chung ancestral village genealogy book or a copy of the Jung/Chung clan genealogy book from the nearby Jung/Chung ancestral hall to your Sar Kong/Sha Gang ancestral village. These slides below may help to clarify what Greg was talking about from my presentation that I give at the Chinese American genealogy workshops I organize: Henry
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Post by karebear on Aug 27, 2019 13:30:10 GMT -5
I'm sorry. Chinese genealogy is very complex. I've been reading as much as I can to try and understand, but it's overwhelming. I don't understand why my GF would go by 2 names.
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Post by karebear on Aug 27, 2019 13:31:33 GMT -5
Thank you Henry
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Post by lachinatown on Aug 27, 2019 13:42:47 GMT -5
Now you removed both pictures of Mrs. Jung's headstone, karebear. Zhong Li YuZhu 鍾李玉珠
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Post by karebear on Aug 27, 2019 13:49:00 GMT -5
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Post by jeremychin on Aug 27, 2019 15:34:44 GMT -5
Karebare,
I'm sure Henry gave you the coordinates? But if not: 22.055809, 112.917257. Your village is actually a little over 2 miles from my Grandfathers village!
- Jeremy
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Post by gckimm on Aug 27, 2019 21:02:10 GMT -5
Hi:
Every culture has different customs. In Chinese culture in former times, it was a custom for men to have more than one name. Some men had two, three, four or more, possibly including a name given at birth, a name used at home, a name used at school, a name taken at marriage, and a professional name. Yes, that is confusing when one is doing genealogical research, but that was the custom. Names were chosen or taken at different times in a man's life and he could have been known by all of those names.
"Shakie" looks to me like an American nickname. There is a story to that name but perhaps the story is unknown to anyone alive today. It sounds very southern, like a name other men in the American south would share. In my hometown of Bakersfield, CA--not in the American south but full of people who originally came from Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Texas during the Dust Bowl era--there used to be a pizza parlor known as "Shakey's."
From the information you have provided, I don't see any reason to believe that one of your relatives had a "paper name." Their Chinese surname was Jung (sometimes spelled "Chung") and they used it. A "paper name" would be a false personal name or surname adopted for the purpose of getting into the country during the period when most Chinese people were not allowed to enter the U.S. (1882-1943).
I hope you persevere in searching for your roots and do not become discouraged by all the complexity of Chinese genealogy. It is a very rich area of study that can also be very rewarding.
Greg
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Post by karebear on Aug 29, 2019 14:21:57 GMT -5
Thank you Greg for explaining. I was frustrated, but I will persevere.
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Post by karebear on Aug 29, 2019 16:49:48 GMT -5
This was on the other side of Kwong How Jung's headstone. Can someone confirm that it matches what's on his son's, Shakie Suey Jung, headstone please?
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Post by lachinatown on Aug 29, 2019 17:27:58 GMT -5
No new information.
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