Tjia Poe Lie coat of arms and beginning of familyline

[gracelim]

Good day,

I'm looking for the coat of arms and the first person of the familyline of Tjia Poe Lie and other interesting information of Tjia Poe Lie. She is the grandma of my cousin. She was a Chinese from indonesia. I have a part of her familytree. Thanks for any help.

Grace

[Henry]

gracelim,

Without the Chinese character for the surname - this is a guess:

李






Henry

[gracelim]

Thank you, Henry. Do you know what it means, the symbolism? What are the 2 figures inside the circle?

[Henry]

Grace,

As you may note, I changed the original Li coat of arms I posted because I checked other sources and they are not the same. Perhaps the first coat of arms was a very ancient one, the one that I now posted is what is widely accepted as the Li coat of arms.

Offhand, I do not know what the figures denote - that would take some research.

Henry

[gckimm]

Hi Grace:

If I am reading your chart correctly, it looks like the surname of your cousin's grandma is Tjia. If that is the case, the Wikipedia page on Chinese Indonesian surnames (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Indonesian_surname) says that the clan is 謝 (Mandarin Xie; Cantonese Tse). The word itself means "thanks." The tuteng or "coat of arms" is below:



This ancient version of the character for the surname is supposed to look like a person using a bow and arrow.

There are many places on the internet where one can find information about the ancient origins of Chinese clans. To find more recent information about this woman's ancestors would be more challenging. The best source of information would, of course, be a genealogy but that may be inaccessible to anyone outside China. The name of her family's ancestral village in China may lead to some clues.

Greg

[gracelim]

Thank you Henry and Greg for your help. I really appreciate it.

Greg, you're right, her last name is Tjia. thanks.

[Henry]

Hi Grace,

As Greg has identified that the surname of interest is Xie [ 謝 ], there is a Xie family association in Jakarta, Indonesia:




I did not know how current this address is, I Googled the association name and came up with the following in Indonesian & English:

Yayasan Rumah Abu Tjia berlokasi di Jl. Pangeran Jayakarta No.8, RT.4/RW.1, Mangga Dua Sel., Kecamatan Sawah Besar, Kota Jakarta Pusat, Daerah Khusus Ibukota, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta

Telepon: [phone]

The Abu Tjia House Foundation is located on Jl. Pangeran Jayakarta No.8, RT.4 / RW.1, Mangga Dua Sel., Sawah Besar District, Central Jakarta City, Special Capital Region, Special Capital Region of Jakarta

This is a link to a document that you can download about Chinese Indonesian associations :

A Beautiful Bridge’: Chinese Indonesian associations, social capital and strategic identification in a new era of China Indonesia capital and strategic identification in a new era of China Indonesia relations
ink.library.smu.edu.sg/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3969&context=soss_research

Henry

[gracelim]

Thank you for the information, Greg. I have a lot of family in Jakarta.

[gracelim]

Hello,

i have the Chinese character of Tjia Poe Lie 谢葡莉

Can you tell me if the coat of arms is the right one? How about the the first person of the familyline? Is there a pedigree somewhere? Thanks.