The pages on this site are taged with iso8859-1 encoding (i.e. Latin-1), so my browser shows gibberish for all Chinese characters. The actual encoding seems to be Big5. I suggest you modify the encoding tag to match the actual encoding, if possible, to make the site more attractive.
Post by Administrator on Jul 13, 2004 1:38:23 GMT -5
Just checked. I'm afraid code modification control remains with the host. One alternative is to have the Chinese as a graphic file. Another is to inform our visitors of such abnormality and asked them to adjust their browser.
The first is not really practical, since most people won't have the ability or patience to use graphics.
The second is not practical for me at least, since, although I can override the encoding on the current page, or for all webpages everywhere, I don't have an option that says "use Big5 for this site, and use the advertised encoding for all others".
I'm sure there are some other free forum sites which allow international, or at least Chinese text.
Post by elumhawaii on Nov 24, 2008 20:19:24 GMT -5
I was wondering if a map exists on this site to give us an idea of where our ancestral villages is located. I am from the Sam Herng (three villages) somewhere near Chung San city. I got to visit my grandfathers village and it was a very moving experience. Every since I have been trying to locate where this village is. Someone here in Hawaii had an old map of some of the more common villages people from Hawaii came from but I'm not sure of this maps accuracy. I was hoping this site would have a map so I could look it up.
For someone who claims he is not "Chinese literate", Henry consistently speaks better Chinese than I can speak 'stralian (also pronounced as Ostralian) :-) That said, I can confirm that on the map marked with a downward pointing arrow, it is indeed "Sam Heung", written in Simplified Chinese. (And I can assure you my level of Chinese is not all that good at all)
Zhongshan is a great city. A number of us from this Forum have been and have deep roots there. Getting to Zhongshan from Hong Kong or indeed Macao etc. is very straight forward.
As you say, a visit to your Ancestral village can be quite a moving experience, as most of us have discovered. I encourage you to revisit your village, spend some time there and get to know where your forebears come from.
Thanks Henry for putting up the map and Ah Gin for the confirmation in identifying where the Sam Herng village is specifically located. When I went to my village in 2006 the Chinese Overseas Affairs Bureau got involved and bent over backwards to get me to my village and find my grandfathers house. The Bureau got involved because I was on a Tour with the Hawaii Narcissus Queen and her court. The tour specifically spent two days in ZhongShan city to accommodate those who wanted to visit our villages. The Bureau sent a van with a driver, translator and some people from the Sam Herng office for me and took me to the Ping Lham hamlet of the Sam Herng village to the mayors office where a small reception was waiting. They opened the books for me which was recorded my genelogy up to my fathers generation (2nd generation). The mayor later took us all to my grandfathers house. Unfortunately the house had degraded into disrepair due to neglect and was torn down. I had some problems as I can't speak the Sam Herng dialect or manderin, but the neighbor understood my crude Cantonese and described the layout of the house to me. A year later my cousin contacted the Chinese Overseas Affairs Bureau and they helped him find his house which was still in pretty good condition. His house was about a block away from where mine was.
They then took me to visit the hamlet "chee tong" (ancesteral hall) where my ancestors names would have been placed had the chee tong been open. The translator indicated that during the Red Guard movement they ransacked the chee tong and has remained closed ever since.
I agree Ah Gin, I should and would love to spend some time there to get to know this hamlet of my ancestors. My cousin who can speak Sam Herng has gone back there a few more times and we have talked about going back together for that very reason. I would like to walk the hamlet if I ever get a chance to return there with my cousin.
Again I agree that Zhongshan is indeed an interesting city to visit. Unfortunately, it seems out of the beaten path of tourist unless they are trying to get to their ancestral villages.
My cousin in my mothers side indicated that the village of Buk Toy is no longer in existance. Can anyone confirm this?
Once again thanks for helping me learn my roots Henry and Ah Gin. I have neglected this important part of my past for much too long.
Unfortunately, I only know a few Chinese characters. When I have the Chinese characters, it is easier for me to locate villages. I am really guessing when locating with romanized Chinese.
In the map below, I have drawn lines to possible locations for "Ping Lham". Number 1 refers to a "Ping" something east. Number 2 refers to "Ping" something new village. Number 3 refers to "Buk" something. Sorry, I cannot be more helpful.
I hope my friend Ah Gin can assist.
If you need to know whether "Buk Toy" village still exists, please contact:
If you can provide me the Chinese characters for "Buk Toy" village, I may have historical maps with large scale topographic coverage of villages with village names in English romanizations and Chinese characters. Many villages and hamlets are no longer shown on contemporary maps because they have been consolidated into larger village clusters that have taken the name of the largest village.
Post by laohuaqiao on Nov 25, 2008 18:18:02 GMT -5
Perhaps Buk Toy village is 北台 (Beitai in mandarin). Starting from Sam Herng (Sanxiang) in Henry's map move on a straight line northwest ( approximately 45 degrees), cross expressway 105, Beitai is just above the vacation village (red point of interest).
To search on Google Earth, it's at or in the vicinity of 22 26'29" N and 113 19'34" E.
Last Edit: Nov 25, 2008 18:39:19 GMT -5 by laohuaqiao
Our college tyuti1668 provided the bus schedule and a detailed map of Ping Lham and surroundings. I suggest you also consider taking a 1 hour ferry from HKG to either Macau or Zhuhai - then a taxi to Ping Lham. I have posted the detailed map because the map server seems very slow.