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Post by Ah Gin on Jun 28, 2008 18:42:51 GMT -5
Many thanks tyuti1668. Looking forward to the trip in November 2008. For the fun of it, at the end of the journey I will update this Forum regarding my travel experience.
Regards, Ah Gin
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Post by Ah Gin on Jul 15, 2008 16:20:16 GMT -5
Hi folks,
Sorry to raise this again, as it is driving me nuts. As an experiment, I have done a cut and paste of twoupman's recent posting "Xinhui County (ЕþÊÐ) and Zhongshan County (ÖÐɽÊÐ).". I am going to post this, and then view it on my laptop. Chances are, the Chinese characters will not be displayed correctly. I usually go through the usual (view/encoding/etc.) but sometimes after exhausting the choice, the characters are still not displayed correctly.
So my question is, in the process of posting, did I do something incorrectly? I did nothing more than cut and paste of the characters. Interesting is, no matter whatever encoding I choose, twoupman's Chinese characters still appear correct.
Tell me oh Sifu. Little Grass Hopper aka Ah Gin
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Post by Henry on Jul 15, 2008 18:16:51 GMT -5
Ahgin,
To view your posted Chinese characters, I had to select "Chinese Simplified (GB 2312). Twoupman's Chinese characters were probably posted with the Unicode (UTF-8) encoding. When you did the cut & paste - the Chinese encoding on your computer was probably set at the Chinese Simplifed (GB 2312).
Henry
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Post by Ah Gin on Jul 15, 2008 19:52:21 GMT -5
Thanks Henry. This round, I have set my pc on Chinese Simplified (GB 2312), leave it as is, rather than to leave it on "Auto-select", which seems to settle on the default Western European (Windows) -- as that setting might upset (confuse?) the down stream action of cut and paste?
Regards, Ah Gin
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Post by twoupman on Jul 15, 2008 20:20:10 GMT -5
Ah Gin,
As you discovered, no matter what Character Encoding you tried my posted Chinese characters still remain correct. What is the secret?
When you wish to insert Chinese characters, do not fiddle around with the Character Encoding, but just leave it at the default Western (ISO-8859-1) and then use whatever means of generating Chinese characters with a default UFT-8 Unicode setting or even Autoselect. This way the Chinese script will always be visible no matter what Character Encoding you select thereafter.
When you select a Character Encoding BEFORE you insert Chinese script, then you are locked into one encoding.....that is the pitfall as evidenced when you pasted my characters because you used a particular Character Encoding.
Hope this helps.
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Post by Ah Gin on Jul 15, 2008 22:54:03 GMT -5
Sifu twoupman,
Thanks for that advice. See if I understood. I am now conducting an experiment. I am now in this Forum, "Message" section, current web page View setting is "Western European (ISO)". Origin of the Chinese character is from a MS Word doc (containing Simplified and Traditional), MS Word doc character setting was, "Arial Unicode MS". OK, cut from the Word doc. and paste here, then posting the message.
ллÄúÍò·Ö¸Ðл ÖxÖxÄúÈf·Ö¸ÐÖx
Then view with various settings of Encoding. Wish myself luck.
Regards, Ah Gin
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Post by Ah Gin on Jul 15, 2008 23:20:28 GMT -5
Experiment 2. Browser set at View \ Encoding \ Western European. on Autoselect. Source of Chinese characters identical to previous posting. ллÄúÍò·Ö¸Ðл ÖxÖxÄúÈf·Ö¸ÐÖx
By the way, for the last posting, I had to use Encoding Chinese Simplified.
Here goes. Regards, Ah Gin
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Post by twoupman on Jul 15, 2008 23:37:14 GMT -5
Ah Gin,
Sorry it did not work and the code shown is not a true Unicode (UTF-8). It looks like the Word Chinese input method does not work. Sorry, I do not use it myself. I have used three different Chinese programs (TwinBridge, NJ Star and another local program) plus Mac Chinese native input and they all came out correctly in all my postings.
Here is my Mac Chinese input: 我是一個外國華僑
Do you see them?
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Post by Ah Gin on Jul 15, 2008 23:54:51 GMT -5
twoupman, Yes I do see the Mac Chinese input.
One more experiment. Current browser setting View \ Encoding \ Auto Select on \ Chinese Simplified (2312). Here goes, Kaiping in Traditional and Simplified. é_ƽ ¿ªÆ½
Else, think I might have to settle on Viewing under Simplified Chinese. More predictable. Back to real work.
Regards, Ah Gin
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Post by twoupman on Jul 16, 2008 10:28:00 GMT -5
Ah Gin, I think you should download a free demo of NJStar (it is an Australian product) and play around with it. Just e-mail to yourself using different settings until the Chinese text appears. It has been a while since I used NJStar but I think they just use unicode fonts which are single byte fonts like Roman letters. Unicode font codes all start with: ".....;" and end with a semicolon to represent each Chinese character. If you see letters and funny symbols like yours then it is not unicode. In my website houseofchinn.com all the narratives were first written in Word and then inserted into the html and as you can see all the Chinese are properly displayed no matter what encoding you use.
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Post by Ah Gin on Jul 16, 2008 20:39:34 GMT -5
twoupman, Many thanks for the tips. Have to look at NJStar at some stage. By the way, our Family Association ginsunhall.org/ gave me a PenPower Jr. I got it working on XP,Win2000, and then it developed a hardware problem -- the tablet just would not respond. Tried different USB ports, reinstalled, download new software etc. I got in touch with the distributor and they are most helpful. When I am back in CA, they will exchange my faulty one with a working one. I found PenPower to be quite good. More feedback when I finally get the replacement and working. Hopefully the output is pure Unicode. In any case, when I am in HK in Nov, I plan to get the upgraded version -- toys for me. Regards, Ah Gin
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Post by twoupman on Jul 17, 2008 12:56:30 GMT -5
Ah Gin, Here is an online Simplified Chinese text editor which you can use on the forum: www.chinese-tools.com/tools/ime.htmlHere is a sample using this input text editor, then copying and pasting: 用简体中文字。 You should be able to see it under any encoding.
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Post by Ah Gin on Jul 17, 2008 17:06:40 GMT -5
twoupman, Many thanks for the link. I got it going. Some feedback with my experiment this morning. Laptop running XP, IE7, View set at Unicode (UTF 8)
chinese-tools.com: looks good and "big tablet" area , but feels sluggish, has difficulty in recognising the Chinese character "bed". Mind you, in the best of times, my free hand, Chinese script is quite remarkable (read, unintelligble) -- bit like a crow scratching.
nciku.com, which some of you would have tried, has a small "tablet" screen -- smaller than I like anyway. However, its recognition hit is exceptional. For the fun of it, I input one of the poems by one Mr. Li Bi. Let's see if it comes through the display.
As an ongoing experiment, subsequent to this posting I intend to view, using different coding.
牀å‰æ˜Žæœˆå…‰,疑是地上霜, 舉é 望明月,低é æ€æ•…鄉
Regards, Ah Gin
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Post by Ah Gin on Jul 17, 2008 17:11:21 GMT -5
Experiment result: It only survived if I viewd it again on Unicode. Ah well, the hunt continues.
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Post by laohuaqiao on Jul 17, 2008 21:17:10 GMT -5
Ahgin, what I do is to go to this site, www.pinyin.info/tools/converter/chars2uninumbers.htmlCopy and paste the Chinese text onto the input text box, click convert to obtain the unicode(as twoupman have said, each character is of the form xxxx ), and then copy and paste the code into the message to be posted. Like this: 牀前明月光,疑是地上霜, 舉頭望明月,低頭思故鄉
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