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Post by jlwhedbee on Jul 21, 2017 3:49:56 GMT -5
This is the document regarding the 1925 arrival to America by Hung Yin Wong.
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Post by jlwhedbee on Jul 21, 2017 3:52:32 GMT -5
Here are both pages where Hung Yin Wong and his Wife Mah Shee Wong and there son arrived in America. Can anybody tell me why he would have been admitted but his wife and son held for a time? They were the only family to get a page of their own, everybody else were on a long list of names.
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Post by jlwhedbee on Jul 21, 2017 3:53:44 GMT -5
I would greatly appreciate it if anybody could tell me what this headstone says. Please and thank you.
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Post by jlwhedbee on Jul 21, 2017 3:55:22 GMT -5
This is Mah She Wong, Hong Yin Wong's wifes Headstone. I would greatly appreciate it if somebody could tell me what it says. JLWhedbee
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Post by Doug 周 on Jul 21, 2017 9:13:27 GMT -5
...Can anybody tell me why he would have been admitted but his wife and son held for a time? They were the only family to get a page of their own, everybody else were on a long list of names. My brief perusal of your documents seem to indicate that your paternal ancestor had lived in the USA and this manifest was his fetching his family to immigrate. This may be why he was released earlier than the wife and child. There is a medical quarantine period besides interrogation. I wonder if your ancestors did not travel steerage but possibly more expensive quarters on the boat. Did you check NARA Seattle for their interview papers?
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Post by ginagaladriel on Jul 21, 2017 9:46:49 GMT -5
For Wong Yin西村 堡平 房*里 (I was right with having this one wrong, it's: 陽里) 黄玉寅翁之墓 (Tomb of Mr. Wong Yu in Weng) 廣桌* 台山 白*汶* (Toishan or 白沙 or 白汐 (this last one is Baisha Town which according to Wikipedia it's located in Toishan)I have an untrained eye for Chinese, but I hope I got the correct characters found the following village in the Village DB County 台山 Toishan Area 6 Heung 新白沙鄉,西村鄉 Sun Pak Sar Heung, Sai Chuen Village 西村社 Sai Chuen Sher Surname(s) 黃WongCounty 台山 Toishan Area 6 Heung 新白沙鄉,西村鄉 Sun Pak Sar Heung, Sai Chuen Heung Village 平陽 Ping Yeung Surname(s) 黃 Wong
Mah Shee
The location is the same as the other headstone
黄門馬氏之墓 (again I do think I might have some characters wrong, but basically it means tomb of Mrs. Wong, from the Mah clan)
Edit 4: I stand corrected, two of our fellow members had already answered you in another post
Peter (lachinatown)
siyigenealogy.proboards.com/post/18953
"In pinyin: Guangdong, Taishan, Baisha, Xicun, Pingyangli."
Jason
siyigenealogy.proboards.com/post/18954
"The right line reads: 廣東台山白沙, where 廣東 = "Guangdong", 台山 = "Tai San", 白沙 = "Bak Saw"
The left line reads: 西村堡平陽里, where 西村堡 = "Sai Choun Walled Village", 平陽里 = "Ping Yung Lei" "
So I think I got the correct village by miracle even tho I had several wrong characters!!!
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Post by jlwhedbee on Aug 7, 2017 3:36:47 GMT -5
I am new to Chinese Family research.
I do not know what resources might be found in Seattle or the NARA in Seattle.
Knowing the arrival dates and on which ships of both Wong Hung Yi and Mah Shee Wong arrived in Seattle, I assume helps.
Can you please advise me what I should ask for or to see if I make a trip to Seattle?
Thank you in advance for any advice you may be able to give me or others who read your reply.
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Post by Doug 周 on Aug 7, 2017 8:48:09 GMT -5
It is pretty easy. Sounds like you have the information needed to start. Here is the general start page: www.archives.gov/research/genealogy/start-researchThey have online databases to access. The easiest is to contact NARA Seattle with your information and they will search for you if they have information available on your ancestor. If they do, then nothing is more fulfilling than making an appointment and actually touching the documents of your ancestors. Are your male ancestors paper sons?
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Post by ginagaladriel on Aug 7, 2017 21:55:31 GMT -5
jlwhedbee, to answer you question, it may be because they didn't have a visa? if you notice it says "Nil" later to be scratch and a visa number added, so maybe they had to stay until they were able to get a visa (just what I think could have happened)
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Post by amy on Aug 7, 2017 23:53:22 GMT -5
I agree with Doug. Since Hung Yin Wong had previously been in the U.S., there was already a record on him in the U.S. that immigration officials could reference so it was a faster process. But his wife and child are entering the U.S. for the first time so the investigation would have been lengthier. Handwritten next to their two names is 'B.S.I.' which means their cases were referred to the Board of Special Inquiry and held for further investigation. And, yes, they family is on a separate page because they are travelling in second class as opposed to steerage. If you look at the top of the manifest, it indicates that they are 'second-cabin' passengers. To find the Chinese Exclusion Act case files, email seattle.archives@nara.gov and give them the names and approximate dates of arrival that you are lookng for. They will try and locate them and let you know when they are found. If you're not in the Seattle area, you can have them scan the files and email them to you. It costs about 80 cents per page, I think. There is also a volunteer at Seattle who has been indexing the files. Her name is Trish Hackett Nicola and she has posted some of them on her blog chineseexclusionfiles.com/Maybe there's a chance she has one of your ancestors on there already.
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Post by jlwhedbee on Aug 27, 2017 18:04:41 GMT -5
Thank you so much for recommending going to the National Archives in Seattle. There were over 150 pages of interviews with Wong Hung Yin, His wife and family. Unfortunately it has confused me as much as thrilled me since the interviews have so much contradictory information.
So much information to digest, SOOO many different spellings of each persons name. So many different spellings of the places there families were living.
At this point I have Wong Hung Yin's line back 2 if not three generations and he specifically said the family ancestral information was in the Ancestral Hall at Oh Ten Doo.
Where would you recomend on this website to put the list of generations to see if anybody can help me connect with other Wong families or anybody who may have them listed in a book of some sort.
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Post by Doug 周 on Aug 27, 2017 21:43:04 GMT -5
...Unfortunately it has confused me as much as thrilled me since the interviews have so much contradictory information... For family history, you start with what you know best: your own family and family interviews. This will form the basis of your family tree and the most reliable information. You may have to have secondary and tertiary sources, but most Chinese will have knowledge of their family lineage. The NARA information is not accurate for family lineage and genealogy. 1925 in still in the Exclusion period and there were financial reasons to embellish the family lineage to sell future paper sons. If your ancestor was a paper son himself, then what he told the officials will certainly not be your true lineage. Phonetic spellings make any English transliterations unreliable. There were no official romanization from the nascent Republic of China. Let me reproduce this article I wrote on the Forum 2 years ago: Beware of the Elixir of NARA
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Post by redtomatoes on Feb 21, 2018 7:50:05 GMT -5
Hello! I recently had the desire to connect to my chinese roots and I’m glad I found this channel hoping to get some valuable information here. My grandfather, named Luy Ng, was born in Canton, China, probably around 1911, but he moved to Xiamen and had a son named Kokyuy Ng. He migrated to the Philippines married my filipina grandmother and changed his name to Luy Cheung, respelled to Chong which is the surname that our family is carrying up to now. He worked here as a carpenter and created amazing woodworks. I don’t have much knowledge about my grandfather’s roots as he died when my mother was still so young and the family also stopped speaking cantonese and in continuing chinese traditions so I barely have any chinese touch in me haha. But I do want to know about my lineage now so I hope you can help me. Thank you!
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Post by philiptancl on Feb 24, 2018 9:45:28 GMT -5
Hi Redtomatoes,
Replied to your personal message to me in this Forum regarding your queries.
Philip
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Post by kekkou on Jul 13, 2018 19:58:07 GMT -5
Hi all,
My name in Ben from Melbourne, Australia. I am new to the forum, and am very excited to start my journey in discovering about my family's history. I am interested in the posts on page 1 with the jiapu that had generational records all the way back to the progenitor in Guangdong, but unfortunately all the links are now dead. Has anyone still got a copy or link that they are able to share me?
Many thanks, Ben
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