Lung Tin village?

[richfong]

Hi,

I've just stumbled across this fantastic site to learn more about where we all came from. My interest has been sparked by a trip to my grandfathers' village. Could someone please help me find 龍田 / Lung Tin on the map? Thanks in advance.

Regards
Richard

[tyuti1668]

Which surname? 龍田 is a common village name in siyi. Pls find the exact village name in c-c-c db & nearest market town first.

[Henry]

Hi Rich,

Welcome to our Forum.

Is "Fong" your surname? As in " (鄺 ).

The Village DB has 31 Lung Tin villages in Taishan, Hoiping, and Sunwui.

There is a Lung Tin village for the Fong clan in Taishan county. If you can confirm this as your ancestral village. I will see if I can locate it for you.


Henry

[richfong]

Hi tyuti1668 and Henry,

Thank you for your prompt response. Yes my surname is Fong which is the same as Kong from what I understand. This is the information I get from the Village DB search.

County: 台山 Toishan
Area: 4
Heung 淡雲鄉 Darm Wan Heung
Subheung 沖雲鄉 Chung Wan Heung
Village 龍田 Lung Tin
Surname(s) 鄺 Fong

Thank you.

[Henry]

Hi Richard,

I checked and could not find your ancestral village on any of the contemporary Chinese map websites, however, if I have some time later - I will check my very detailed large scale topographic map coverage.

The Village DB indicates that the nearest market town to Lung Tin [ 龍田 ] was West Water [ 水西 ], this is a place less than half way from Taishan City to Sanba. On 2 other maps this place of [ 水西 ] was called West Water Embankment [ 水西圩 ], but, on the map below, it looks like it has a new name. Perhaps tyuti1668 can tell us the new name.

On the map below, there is a Darm village [ 淡村 ] - it is possible that your ancestral village of Lung Tin [ 龍田 ] is now consolidated under this village name. Historically, the area was probably known as 淡雲鄉 Darm Wan Heung - as indicated by the Village DB, however, it is about 50 years since the original Village DB information was compiled and it is entirely possible that some of the smaller villagers and hamlets, such as Lung Tin, were incoporated into the larger Darm village cluster. The only real way to know is to have it field checked. If you want this done, and also have village relatives identified, and to try and find and copy your Fong genealogy - I can have my Taishan nephew do this for you.

Henry

[Henry]

Hi Richard,

I looked, but, could not find your ancestral village of Lung Tin [ 龍田 ] on my topographic maps. I have a Taishan City planning map and I have cropped out the Darm Village rural area, indicated by a #1, now known as "Darm Village", which contains an actual "Dram Village", a # 2.

I have also annotated the West Water Embankment [ 水西圩 ] # 4 and also West Water Village [ 水西 村] # 3.

Based upon the collateral information from the Village DB, I believe that your ancestral village of Lung Tin is located in this area.


Henry



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[richfong]

Hi Henry,

Thank you for taking the time to have a look through your maps. I think I'll need to have a talk to my uncles and aunts to get more info. I'll be going over in May to visit the village and see first hand the family house etc.

Regards
Richard

[Henry]

Hi Richard,

Are you from New York City - I was born in Queens and grew up in Brooklyn. The maternal grandfather, "gong" of my children is a Fong and I found a fantastic Fong genealogy book from Taishan that took 17 years to compile and it has his name, his brother's name and the names of all the sons.

If you are coming to Taishan, you may want to hire my Taishan nephew to do the preparatory research on confirming the location of your ancestral village, finding and copying the family genealogy book, as well as, another copy of this published Fong genealogy book.

He is quite reliable:

siyigenealogy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=names&action=display&thread=821

You can contact me directly and I can help with the arrangements: [e-mail]


Regards,


Henry

[goosey]

Hi Henry,

I am searching for my mother-inlaws village (she was a Cheer, Tse Kim ) Its a farmland not far from Hoiping

I think its in the opposite direction to Chikan

Its called Tin teo lay but heard they changed the name to Sun Hong cant seem to find it on the map

Thank you

[Henry]

Hi goosey,

Please provide me with the Chinese characters for the name of the village & associated surname and I will try to locate it for you.

Henry

[goosey]

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Hi Henry,

Here is the Chinese Character for my mother in-laws name village

Thank you For your help during these unprecedented times

Sarah

[Henry]

goosey,

Okay, the Der/Tse surname identifies which clan villages. The Village Database has 117 Der villages, however, none of them are romanized "Tin teo lay" or "Sun Hong".

The Village Database does have a match on a "Sun Hong" village, but it is a Louie village and located within a district ( Tong Min Heung near Da Jiang town in Taishan county ) that has 99 Louie villages - so, I seriously doubt if this is the village you are seeking.

Romanized names in Taishanese or Cantonese are quite limited because there can be so many different Chinese characters for a particular pronunciation.

Also, the Village Database has almost 15,000 village names and these represent the total number of villages of origin for people processing to come to the US - the actual number of villages may be higher and many of the villages and hamlets ( small villages as indicated by "lay or li " )have now become consolidated under a village cluster name, using the name of the largest village - but, in reality, all these smaller villages & hamlets may still there and not reflected by an individual map location.

If you can provide the Chinese characters for the village name and also the nearest market town & county - then I believe I can find the village location. These names can be found on the gravestone or immigration and/or family records.

Henry

[douglaslam]

There is a Lung Tin Li 龍田里 village in Hoiping which I have visited on two occasions. 甄 Zhen, Yen or Gin is the predominant name.

[jeremychin]

Hello Rich,

This is what I could find in my search for Lung Tin. Everyone can feel free to let me know if I might be accurate in my findings. You can see Chung Wan down in the left corner of the map. 





Hope this helps.



- Jeremy

[Henry]

Hi Jeremy,

Yep, you located it correctly, as confirmed from several nearby villages within Chung Wan sub-heung.

When I was checking Lung Tin in April 2009, Tianditu, which you used to find Lung Tin, had not been released ( October 2010 ) by my friends at the National Bureau of Surveying and Mapping, China, which has a much large scale capability than most of the other map websites covering China.

As a Chen descendant, it might interest you to know that approximately 2 + miles due north of Chung Wan / Chong Yun Cun [ 沖雲村 ] is the village of Chong Pan Cun [冲泮村] where there is a Chen ancestral hall for Chen Mo, the oldest son of Chen Feng Tai aka Chen Hui, the Chen progenitor to Guangdong provinces, the caretaker has a 2 volume Chen clan genealogy that he sells. In Nov,2019 I took some of the Chen attendees on my China Workshop to visit this temple.

www.google.com/maps/place/Chongpancun,+Taishan,+Guangdong,+Jiangmen,+Guangdong+Province,+China/@22.3169134,112.7097162,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m8!1m2!2m1!1ssanba+Taishan,+Jiangmen,+Guangdong,+China!3m4!1s0x3401fb632ba2a837:0x1d4ac5c2fd00f999!8m2!3d22.3169146!4d112.7184713?hl=en

Also, during the Nov 2018 China Tour, I took about 35 attendees to visit TianTangShan, Memorial & Temple to Chen Feng Tai. But, prior to that, we did visit the beautiful Chen ancestral hall in Zhujixiang, where Chen attendees donated $65 USD to have a Chen name added to the hall tablets and also get the new 2 volume Chen genealogy book-set, which updated and extended the former 1 volume book.

Finally, in November, 2017, it took some twists & turns, but, I finally got to visit the memorial to Chen Hu Gong in Huaiyang, formerly called Chenzhou in Henan province. It was Chen Hu Gong that the actual surname "Chen" was derived.

Henry