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Post by cj on Jan 9, 2011 2:54:00 GMT -5
I am delighted to have come across this great website. Congratulations to those who have already found their family roots, you are amazing!! I would really appreciate any help, advice or feedback. My brother Robert is going back China for the first time on 17 January to research our family roots. He is hoping to find information on our family or if possible visit our great grandfather's ancestral village or district. My great grandfather's name was Chin Yam Yan. His village according to my father is "Moy See Heung" in the Sun Wui (Xin Hui) county/district of the Guangdong province. 1) Where is "Moy See Heung" located? 2) Where in Xin Hui, China should my brother go to find more information about our family's ancestors? 3) Could we be linked to the Chen/Tan/Chan/Chin (陈/陳) Clan? The research done by Philip Tan is truly incredible. siyigenealogy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=clanprogenitor&action=display&thread=845&page=2My family background: My great grandfather Chin Yam Yan lived in Darwin (formerly Palmerston) Northern Territory Australia in the late 1800s. Originally from the Xin Hui (village "Moy See Heung"). He was See Yup. We have no record of his death or whether he returned to China. He was a businessman and had a number of general stores during his time in Darwin. He had a business partner named, Lee Hang Gong. Chin Yam had 3 wives and 12 children while in the Northern Territory. Chin Yam Yan, married wife Tsang. Children from this marriage were: + 2 M i. Pak Hung CHIN . + 3 M ii. Pak Sau CHIN . + 4 M iii. Pak Watt CHIN . + 5 M iv. Pak Wood CHIN CHIN next married LAI . LAI was born See Yup. Canton, China. Children from this marriage were: + 6 M i. CHIN Pak Mow + 7 M + 7 M ii. CHIN Pak Sue . + 8 M iii. Chin Pak CHEONG (my grandfather) + 9 F iv. CHIN Lay Jun . + 10 M v. CHIN Pak Ngan . CHIN next married Yuen . Yuen was born See Yup. Canton, China. Children from this marriage were: + 11 F i. Pak Kam CHIN . + 12 F ii. Pak Poy CHIN . This is a great forum, keep up the good work! Christine |
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Post by Doug 周 on Jan 9, 2011 11:44:57 GMT -5
Christine, I cannot help you with your specific questions. You are lucky to have your brother visit China shortly. Have him take plenty of photos and post his experiences here, or maybe a link to his travel blog. Unless he is literate in Chinese, I recommend you AND he use Chinese characters as much as possible. See this Wiki: USING CHINESE CHARACTERS in FAMILY HERITAGE STUDIES without CHINESE LANGUAGE SKILLS<=click. Try to transcribe the given names into Chinese characters. Be cognizant of the pre WWII multiple given names issue<=click. People may not recognize the particular given name used by your relative in Australia. They CERTAINLY will not recognize the romanized names. You have little time before your brother leaves, though by digitizing the names, you can email them if and when he finds internet access. These characters will be useful both in his travels, in your posting on this English based forum, and most importantly, your family heritage research. Finally, try to find you jiapu<=click. Here are some prerequisites to finding the correct jiapu How I recently obtained my jiapu<=click. I have not had the opportunity to enter this information into the Wiki. IMHO, Doug |
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Post by Doug 周 on Jan 9, 2011 13:00:04 GMT -5
Christine, A reminder, to have your brother, upon visiting your ancestral hall in the ancestral village, copy or take a photo of the Generational Poem<=click for this discussion thread. It might not be in your jiapu. It could be posted on the wall or on tablets. Doug |
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Post by helen on Jan 10, 2011 3:29:46 GMT -5
He had a business partner named, Lee Hang Gong. I found this information - maybe they are his children - The certificate is online [Certificate of Exemption from Dictation Test - Florrie Lee Hang Gong] Access status: Open Location: Darwin 1921 - 1921 1594895 [Certificate of Exemption from Dictation Test - William Lee Hang Gong] Access status: Open Location: Darwin 1916 - 1916 1591961 [Certificate of Exemption from Dictation Test - Florrie Lee Hang Gong] Access status: Open Location: Darwin1916 - 1916 1591944 recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ListingReports/ItemsListing.aspx |
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Post by helen on Jan 10, 2011 3:43:33 GMT -5
Seach under Chin Pak - there are 45 items. Not too sure if they all belong to you. recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ListingReports/ItemsListing.aspx+ 6 M i. CHIN Pak Mow + 7 M [Certificate of Exemption from Dictation Test - Chin Pak Mow] Access status: Open Location: Darwin 1932 - 1932 1596451 [Certificate of Exemption from Dictation Test - Chin Pak Sun] Access status: Open Location: Darwin 1931 - 1931 1596340 [Certificate of Exemption from Dictation Test - Chin Pak Nan] Access status: Open Location: Darwin 1931 - 1931 1596335 [Certificate of Exemption from Dictation Test - Chin Pak San] Access status: Open Location: Darwin1931 - 1931 1596332 This has 28 pages, including photo of the child [Certificate of Exemption from Dictation Test - Toey Gook [daughter of Chin Pak Cheong] Access status: Open Location: Darwin 1924 - 1924 1595317 Deputy Commonwealth Crown Solicitor - Darwin Land Compulsory Acquisition 17/1/1946 Chin Pak Foo Access status: Open Location: Darwin 1949 - 1951 908668 Not too sure what this is: Crown Law Office Darwin - Compulsory Acquisition 12/10/1939 - Public Trustee Access status: Open Location: Darwin1939 - 1940 429856 HAVE WE HIT THE JACKPOT HERE - 19 PAGES OF INFORMATION Folder containing (1) Index to Immigration files (2) Miscellaneous Unregistered Correspondence Access status: Open Location: Darwin 1938 - 1938 342103 |
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Post by helen on Jan 10, 2011 4:01:06 GMT -5
F1 1942/400 Compulsory Acquisition of Sections 763 & 787, Town of Darwin, Northern Territory. Claim of Chin Loong Pak CL5740 Access status: Open Location: Darwin
1942 - 1942 334271
F1 1947/284 Chin Pak Sun (Sidney Chin) - Acquisition of Darwin Property
Access status: Open Location: Darwin 1947 - 1948 338602
F1 1949/520 Chin Pak Foo - Acquisition of Darwin Property 17/1/46
Access status: Open Location: Darwin 1949 - 1949 339481
F1 1951/928 Acquisition of Darwin Property 17/1/46 Chin Loong Pak and Chin Koong Fang
Access status: Open Location: Darwin 1951 - 1951 340146
E68 DP79 Crown Law Office Darwin - Compulsory Acquisition 12/10/1939 - Public Trustee
Access status: Open Location: Darwin 1939 - 1940 429856
E68 DP645 Deputy Commonwealth Crown Solicitor - Darwin Land Compulsory Acquisition 17/1/1946 Chin Pak Foo Access status: Open Location: Darwin 1949 - 1951 908668
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Post by helen on Jan 10, 2011 4:07:12 GMT -5
COULD THIS BE YOUR GREAT GRANDFATHER? Maybe not, as this is a Canberra person
A801 2206 Letters of Naturalization - Chin Pak Chin Access status: Open Location: Canberra 1883 - 1883 847911
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Post by helen on Jan 10, 2011 4:19:40 GMT -5
also try to search "Chin, Darwin"
Crown Law Office Darwin - Estate of Reuben Cooper Claim of Chin Pack Cheong - Compulsory Acquisition of Land at Darwin 17/1/1946 Access status: Open Location: Darwin 1947 - 1947 444433
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Post by helen on Jan 10, 2011 4:36:36 GMT -5
Do these people belong to you? Chin Gong or Chin On Tong - there are photos of children, Mum and Dad, and DOBs
[Certificate of Exemption from Dictation Test - Chin Gong]
Access status: Open
Location: Darwin
1923 - 1923 1595251
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Post by cj on Jan 10, 2011 8:29:36 GMT -5
Wow you both are great! Thank you Doug for your tips and Helen for your time searching the web for me. Helen I will look into what you found, some I haven't seen before.
The National Archives in Canberra has a wealth of information which have been digitised.
Yes Chin Pak Cheong is my grandfather. Pak Poy & Pak Mow are his stepbrothers.
My family have been in contact with their descendants (in Sydney Australia & Canada) but we are unable to trace Chin Yam Yan's family history prior to his arrival in Australia or what happened to him later in his life.
Hopefully my brother's visit to Xin Hui will reveal more information.
If you come across other details I would very much look foward to hear about it.
Thank again.
Christine.
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Post by helen on Jan 10, 2011 23:57:12 GMT -5
Glad to help. It's the first time I have seen photos on archive pages. They look cute.
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Post by cj on Jan 17, 2011 0:28:38 GMT -5
One family member has a gravestones with chinese characters....would this provide any family information? Can someone translate for me please? Attachments:
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Post by cj on Jan 17, 2011 0:41:05 GMT -5
The village where my family came from is only based on my father's memory of his mother telling him when he was young boy. We got a friend to write the possible character translation of the village location. Does anyone recognise the location? Attachments:
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Post by tyuti1668 on Jan 17, 2011 4:45:54 GMT -5
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Post by cj on Jan 17, 2011 16:45:58 GMT -5
Thank you tyuti1668 looking for me. My great grandfather arrived in Australia in the 1850s. Would the zones be named differently during that period. Or is it possible to be something similar in name? My brother was recommended to visit the local government office in Xin Hui. Their website has a book www.xinhui.gov.cn/export/xhsz/sz/xhsz.htmdetails Xin Hui in many aspects including geography, history, culture, etc. It indicates zoning of the area. There was a system from year 222-1911, another one from 1911-1949 and now is the latest one. The names of zones, districts, suburbs are different in different period. This information may be helpful for anyone who may be looking for their family roots in Xin Hui. Christine |
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