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Post by tbdcco on Mar 11, 2014 3:24:51 GMT -5
Hi all
hope everyone is doing fine..
i am trying to trace my ancestors ( both my mom and dad side..)
does anyone know:
豐邑塔下鄉
from what i check, it is a place in guangzhou-meizhou area...
my grandfather was a teochew.
and this is from my mom side..
the only details i know of the location she was from is
wu du hu wei shen
五都湖尾省
my mom side speaks hokkien, so prolly it shld be from fujian?
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Post by tbdcco on Mar 11, 2014 3:29:46 GMT -5
 photo of my grandpa grave.. |
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Post by laohuaqiao on Mar 11, 2014 5:35:21 GMT -5
豐邑塔下鄉 广东省 梅州市 丰顺县 埔寨镇 塔下村 This page has map location and some photos of the village, ww.agri.com.cn/village/441423106202.htmInteresting side story is it is also former Thai PM Thaksin's ancestral village, sharing the same surname Qiu 邱. Here's a report on how his village was found and confirming the village was once part of Chaozhou, people who went overseas considered themselves Teochew. www.ycwb.com/ycwb/2006-11/20/content_1287247.htm |
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Post by laohuaqiao on Mar 11, 2014 5:57:21 GMT -5
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Post by tbdcco on Mar 11, 2014 11:27:23 GMT -5
hihi,
thank you so much for the help.
interestingly, thaksin was from the hakka side of the village whereas my grandparents (paternal) were from the teochew side, even both had the same surname of qiu/khoo
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Post by laohuaqiao on Mar 12, 2014 9:12:39 GMT -5
interestingly, thaksin was from the hakka side of the village whereas my grandparents (paternal) were from the teochew side, even both had the same surname of qiu/khoo I think all Qiu's in the village, more likely than not, share a common ancestor. The confusion stems from Fengshun 丰顺县 being part of Meizhou 梅州 and Chaozhou 潮州 at different periods of history. |
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Post by laohuaqiao on Mar 12, 2014 9:13:09 GMT -5
interestingly, thaksin was from the hakka side of the village whereas my grandparents (paternal) were from the teochew side, even both had the same surname of qiu/khoo I think all Qiu's in the village, more likely than not, share a common ancestor. The confusion stems from Fengshun 丰顺县 being part of Meizhou 梅州 and Chaozhou 潮州 at different periods of history. |
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Post by tbdcco on Mar 12, 2014 22:33:05 GMT -5
hi laohuaqiao
yes very very confusing
but thank you for highlighting ..it didnt know fengshun was under meizhou and chaozhou under different parts of history.
what i heard was that initially, fengshun was teochew but in time, the hakka population grew rapidly in fengshun,
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Post by laohuaqiao on Mar 13, 2014 12:43:37 GMT -5
This is the last sentence from the link on Thaksin, explaining why someone thought he was Teochew (implying he is actually hakka), that Fengshun was once under jurisdiction of Chaozhou:
那么，为什么有人说他信是潮州人呢？采访时记者查证到，历史上丰顺曾划归潮州统辖。
Fengshun borders Jieyang City 揭阳市. We had another discussion here recently, that the regions on Jieyang side which border Meizhou (Fengshun) are mostly hakka speakers. I'm not surprised that Fengshun is now mostly hakka.
The great coastal evacuation, from 1662-1669 during the early years of the Qing Dynasty, probably had a great effect on the population of hakka and Teochew people in that area. When the Manchu took over China, loyal supporters of the Ming Dynasty retreated to Taiwan and other off shore islands and mounted attacks along the sea coast. As a counter measure, Emperor Kangxi ordered the forced evacuation of all residents within 50 Chinese li of the sea coast. The people of Chaozhou must have been evacuated too. It will interesting to find out if the evacuation applied to Jieyang or even Fengshun.
Along the southern Guangdong coast, when the evacuation order was lifted, hakka people were among the first to move into the vacated lands.
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Post by tbdcco on Mar 14, 2014 3:52:16 GMT -5
Thank you.
I have never knew so much about chinese history which interlinked to so many of the chinese diaposa/immigration. very interesting
and to make the situation even more challenging, there were teochew from fengshun area, which also married thai brides or the movement of teochews who went down south towards siam, at the encouraging of king taksin
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Chinese Court could not help but seized the chance by asking Taksin, as a 'new vassal', to be her ally in the war against the Burmese. Eventually Chinese Court approved the royal status of Taksin, as the new king of Siam.
A considerable contribution to his success came from the Teochiu Chinese trading community of the region, on whom Taksin was able to call by virture of his paternal relations. In the short run, the Chinese trade provided the foodstuffs and goods needed for the warfare that enabled Taksin to build up his fledgling state. In the long run, it produced income that could be used "to defray the expenses of the state and for the upkeep of the individual royal, noble, and wealthy commercial families."[75]
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