Ng Genealogy Book published in Hoiping Oct 2015

[floyd]

Hello, it has been awhile since my last post when I received great advice from this forum to help me locate and travel to my ancestral village, Min Fong Lay, Hoiping (Mian Fang, Kaiping).

My sister recently forwarded this article to me (dzb.jmrb.com:8080/jmrb/html/2015-10/30/content_419081.htm ) about how two elderly people, genealogy editor-in-chief Wu Maosong and executive editor Wu Yuquan spent about 15 years in compiling an Ng (Wu) genealogy book centered in Gui Fang which is about 1.5 km from my ancestral village.

I need some help from the forum to obtain contact information so that I can purchase above Ng genealogy book to check for linkage to my father's documented list of 14 generations. Thanks.

In the interim I have sent an email to newspaper ([e-mail]) for contact information using google translate, still waiting for reply, other option to call Tel: [phone] not feasible, cannot speak mandarin.

Click on link below:
dzb.jmrb.com:8080/jmrb/html/2015-10/30/content_419081.htm

[gckimm]

Hi:

I'm afraid your request has been a challenge for the forum members. I myself have spent some time searching the internet for some way for you to obtain a copy of this genealogy but I have come up empty.

You are probably aware that your ancestral village is located in the township of Lau Gong/Lougang 樓岡鄉, as is Gwai Fong/Guifang 桂芳. You could try contacting the Hong Kong Hoi Ping Low Kong Clansmen Association 旅港開平樓岡同鄉會 to see if anyone there has any additional information about your ancestors. The address is A Nathan Road 322-326, Yau Ma Tei, Kowloon, Hong Kong. Since English is still one of Hong Kong's official languages, you could write in English and people there might be able to read your letter without too much difficulty. It would be good to include the family tree you already have. I would also put on the envelope the Chinese characters for the name of the association. Best case scenario would be that an association member recognizes your ancestors as his own.

I do not recommend the use of Google Translate for Chinese. The translations are usually awful, except for maybe individual characters or short phrases. It works better on European languages.

[floyd]

Thank you "gckimm" for your reply and all forum members for your efforts in trying to assist me.

I have finally managed to get hold of a distant cousin who will go to Gui Fang this week on my behalf to obtain contact information and prerequisites for obtaining a copy of the Ng genealogy book (Zupu), it would also appear that there is an e-book version.

I will keep everyone posted on his findings and share any possible contact information. Thanks again.

[Henry]

Dear Floyd & Greg,

I had my Taishan nephew buy & ship 2 copies of this Ng genealogy book by ship last week.

They will probably arrive here in Phoenix before the end of March.

They cost $50 USD each - with the purchase price, shipping & red envelope for my nephew.

Please email at [ [e-mail] ] if you want one.


Henry

[floyd]

Hi Henry, Happy Chinese New Year to you, thanks for your response, I remember your assistance to me many years ago in helping me locate and travel to my ancestral villages of Min Fong Lay (Mian Fang) and Lai Tung (Lidong).

I may take you up on your offer due to the difficulty in communications and timeliness in response with relative in Kaiping, but I will contact you directly by email next week regarding my mother's ancestral village of Lai Tung and the consulting services of your nephew.

[gckimm]

Hi Henry: Thank you for thinking of me but I belong to the other (Number 5 伍) Ng clan. I have my genealogy.

To all forum members, a happy, healthy, and prosperous Year of the Rooster!

Greg

[jasonwu]

Happy New Year Floyd, Henry, and gckimm!

Floyd, I have some genealogical information that you may find interesting. I, myself, am also a 吳 clansman; my father immigrated to Canada in his late 20's from a village along the Zhenhai Bay between the counties of Toishan and Yanping, an area where my ancestors have lived for over 30 generations. I've done some research in the past couple of years about our clan in the Szeyap area of Guangdong, and it seems that the vast majority of us are descendants of the Fujianese 祭公, or Ancestor Ji , who is listed as 1st generation in Photo 1 below. During the Song Dynasty, some of his descendants were either sent to the (then very much uninhabited) province of Guangdong to hold political office and/or fled to Guangdong to avoid having to serve the new Mongol government of the Yuan Dynasty. In Photo 2, my ancestor is listed first under 12th generation while your Lau Kong ancestor is listed last under 15th generation.





These photos are taken from the Ng Genealogy Records of Yanping (恩平吳氏族譜 or En Ping Wu Shi Zu Pu) which I purchased when I visited China last summer. In the following 2 photos you may see the first 8 generations of the 書公 lineage. 書公, or Ancestor Shu, is the grand ancestor who settled in Lau Kong, Hoiping. Unfortunately, this is where I must leave you to track down your lineage in these overwhelming two pages of Chinese characters. Because this information is from the records of Yanping, where only 3 descendants of Ancestor Shu had moved to after settling in Hoiping, there are only 8 generations shown. However, I don't doubt that you'll find much more information about your lineage in Lau Kong, as it is a district where dozens of villages stem from Ancestor Shu.





Building on gckimm's suggestion of contacting Hong Kong's Lau Kong Ng Clan Association, I know that many cities in North America also have their own branch associations; I have walked passed the one here in Toronto many times. It may be rewarding to make a visit because some genealogical records could have been sent to overseas clansmen in hopes of preserving them during China's Cultural Revolution when many historic and traditional treasures and architecture were purged due to their "poisonous impact on building a New, Mordern China."

I hope this information helped with your genealogical endeavours.

Cheers,
Jason

[floyd]

Hi Jason, thank you for your advice and photos from your Ng Genealogical book. It has been a awhile since I was in Toronto's Chinatown, I have never visited the "Low Kong Brotherhood of Ontario" or the "Ing Families Association of Ontario" at 51 Huron Street in Toronto, definitely worth a trip.

Tomorrow, my "distant" cousin will finally be going to Gui Fang on my behalf in search of this Ng Genealogy book, I will keep everyone posted on his findings.

Regards, Floyd

[floyd]

Hello everyone, my "distant" cousin was able to obtain a copy of this Ng Genealogy book for me and will ship it by registered mail, thanks everyone for your help, still waiting for contact information to assist other Ng's in their journey.

Attached cover of Ng Genealogy book.

Regards, Floyd