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Post by dragon008 on Oct 19, 2022 23:51:17 GMT -5
Hi Henry,
This is what we know: (1) from our previous field research, although no document was obtained, did verified that Tie Sing’s mother’s village was Hang Hou 坑口, (2) Tie Sing was his American name and Wee Don Lim, as his paper name. (3) His family name is Yee, Tie Sing’s birth year: 1865, death date: July 18, 1918, age at death: 53, death place: San Benito, CA, (4) Tie Sing’s body was shipped to China in 1918, and (5) wife: Lee Sing and children: Me Lan and Mon Wah.
Henry, do you think going to the village and offering the villagers a donation for information, would you always get a truthful answer?
Thanks,
Dragon008
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Post by dragon008 on Oct 20, 2022 0:59:32 GMT -5
Hi Greg,
Thanks for your time in looking through the Yee genealogy 余氏族譜 on the Family Search website.
I'll let you know if we come across any new clues.
Best regards,
Dragon008
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Post by dragon008 on Oct 23, 2022 17:09:08 GMT -5
Hi Henry,
After much brainstorming and reviewing our previous field findings on Tie Sing’s Yee clan in Hang Hou (坑口), we concluded that this village, Hang Hou, did not provide us any conclusive evidence of Tie Sing’s presence, nor were we able to locate the village genealogy book.
Our thinking along with you is that the Tung Wah Hospital may have information about Tie Sing’s village. Our search on Tung Wah Hospital through FamilySearch’s Register of Interments on repatriation of bones was unsuccessful. Can you help?
Thanks,
Dragon008
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Post by Henry on Oct 23, 2022 17:28:58 GMT -5
Hi Dragon008,
I have asked a person who knows the people at Tung Wah Hospital to see if there would be records available - waiting to hear.
I believe we really need to do as much researching, especially on Tie Sing's actual Chinese name - also, when you have the full Yee name - i could ask my researcher to visit both the ancestral village & Hang Hou village.. Without the actual name - none of the villagers would know - also, the researcher would ask to have a village chief of each village to get hold of a copy of the village genealogy book before visiting & interviewing the village chief & elders.
Henry
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Post by dragon008 on Oct 24, 2022 10:46:57 GMT -5
Hi Henry,
We totally agree. We will work on our end to get the necessary information.
Thank you so much for all your help and guidance.
Talk to you soon,
Dragon008
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Post by jasonwu on Nov 3, 2022 13:30:10 GMT -5
Hi all,
I'm curious to know in what context the mention of Tie Sing's mother's village 坑口 Hang Hou appeared. I say that because, and I think a few other members have been alluding to this, often the record of a married woman's village is her village of residence; in other words, her husband's village and not her own maiden/birth village, unless explicitly mentioned as such. Commonly, in US Passenger Lists, there is a row for each Chinese immigrant which lists the name and address of the nearest relative in China whence they came; almost always, wives' and mothers' names are followed by their husband's village addresses. This would check out in the case of 坑口 Hang Hou, as aforementioned, it is listed as a 余 Yee village in the Village Database.
What's puzzling is the two 余 Yee villages, 鶴灣/學環 Hok Wan and 坑口 Hang Hou, are not very close to one another. Click here for the Google Maps locations, showing approx. 5km between them (note: 坑口 Hang Hou is not labelled in Google Maps, the link instead uses the next nearest village, 雀囦 Queyuan, as a location pin).
Feel free to share any additional documents/information.
- Jason
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Post by Henry on Nov 3, 2022 21:15:41 GMT -5
Hi Jason,
Great to hear from you :-)
My friend contacted the people at the Tung Wah Hospital and she reported back that there is no way to find information on an individual per se - they usually worked with groups or organizations. It may have been that his body was included when one of the associations ( Lim Association ? ) in San Francisco Chinatown shipped a batch of bones and or coffins back to Hong Kong during 1918 or a year or two later because it may have been necessary to wait to have a full consignment.
I think Tie Sing's wife was Lee Shee - born into the Lee/Li clan - so I also believe that 坑口 Hang Hou was Tie Sing's ancestral Yee village. The name of Tie Sing's father maybe on Page 23. Somewhere, I may have seen his father's romanized Chinese name - perhaps one of the names of a Tie boys had a father with the Chinese characters for this romanized name of Tie Sing's father.
Henry
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Post by dragon008 on Nov 4, 2022 1:50:29 GMT -5
Hi Jason and Henry, It's good to hear from both of you. I have copy of the US Passenger Lists of Dec 29, 1914, which Tie Sing who went by the name of We (sic) Don Lim (see attachment). His summary page listed his birth place: Hon Houg, China, Port of Departure: Hong Kong, Arrival Date: 29 Dec 1914, Destination: San Francisco, CA, wife: Yee Shee, Friends' Name: Chong Ching. Jason, you mentioned on the passenger list, often the married women's village would be of her husband. With that in mind, Tie Sing's village may be Hang Hou. Henry, thanks for the information on Tung Wah Hospital and the Lim Association(?). The Lim or Yee Associations in San Francisco would be on our next agenda. Thank you so much, Dragon088
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Post by jasonwu on Nov 4, 2022 12:48:27 GMT -5
Hi Dragon008,
This is an interesting piece of information. It seems that the village of Tie Sing was written as 漢塘 Hon Hong (in Toishanese). This village is not listed in the Village Database, but it is located in a Yee-populated region, and less than 1 km from 鶴灣/學環 Hok Wan according to Google Maps ( click here for link). Would this dispel 坑口 Hang Hou from our research?
Unfortunately, both 鶴灣/學環 Hok Wan and 漢塘 Hon Hong are not mentioned in the 1899/1912 余紹賢堂族譜 Yee Siu Yin Hall Genealogy.
-Jason
EDIT:
I may now understand why 漢塘 Hon Hong is not mentioned in the 余紹賢堂族譜 Yee Siu Yin Hall Genealogy (descendants of the 3rd son of Progenitor 余靖 Yu Jing, the largest branch of the Yee clan in Toishan/Hoiping); I went through some of my Yee records and discovered that 漢塘 Hon Tong is actually listed in the 余象賢堂族譜 Yee Cheung Yin Hall Genealogy (descendants of the 2nd son of Progenitor 余靖 Yu Jing). According to this article from the 荻海風采堂 Dik Hoi Fong Toy Hall website, the genealogy was donated by a Vancouver descendant to 風采堂 Fong Toy Hall (the main ancestral hall of all Yee's in Toishan/Hoiping, one level up from both Siu Yin Hall and Cheung Yin Hall) ( click here for link).
Two branches of Cheung Yin Hall reside in 漢塘 Hon Hong: 余靖一仲荀一嗣隆一正翁一泰翁一梅友一三解元一瑞甫一 余靖一仲荀一嗣隆一正翁一泰翁一梅軒一金山一俊甫一
I wonder if contacting your local Fung Toy Society would be of any help?
-Jason
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Post by Henry on Nov 4, 2022 16:35:05 GMT -5
Dear Colleagues, If you are ever in the vicinity of the Dik Hoi Fong Toy Hall, with its avant-garde architecture - please visit. It is a school, but, the second floor is the most amazing collection of Yee/Yu genealogy, clan histories and other information that I have ever seen for a clan. The resident Yee genealogy scholar is: Henry
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Post by dragon008 on Nov 6, 2022 0:20:37 GMT -5
Hi Jason,
It doesn't surprise me anymore how you can come up with such detail finding with so little tidbit of information.
There are numerous Yee Fung Toy Association located in major cities across the U.S. I'll see if I can contact one. Will keep you posted.
Thanks, again
Dragon088
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Post by dragon008 on Nov 6, 2022 14:14:27 GMT -5
Hi Henry,
We will put this Yee Genealogy Expert at Grand Yu Ancestral Hall on our bucket list.
Thank you,
dragon008
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