Gravestone Translation Please

[Henry]

I have been requested by Geoff to post photos of two gravestones which need to be translated:

The first one is of Louisa Chock Ching & George Yook Tong:

mysite.verizon.net/vzepzaui/George Yook Tong.jpg[/img]

The second is of NG Kum Tong:

mysite.verizon.net/vzepzaui/NG Kum Tong.jpg[/img]

All assistance is always greatly appreciated !

Henry

[tyuti1668]

雅瑤 village: #3 in this MAP (#1 is NG's main family hall)


#1

增邑 (county) ??都 (town) 雅瑤(village)人氏
吳(NG)玉堂(Yook Tong)公之墓
終(dead)民國(ROC era)廿七年(27 i.e.1938)五月(May) 廿七日 (27th)

吳(NG)門 黃(WONG)氏 之墓 (ie Louisa Chock Ching WONG B4 marriage)
終民國廿八年(28)十一月(NOV)十八日(18th)



#2
增城 (county) 雅瑤鄉 (village)
吳(NG)公 金堂(Kum Tong) 之('s)墓 (tomb)
終 (died)於 (at)一九八二(1982)年八月(AUG)二日(2nd)
享年七十九(79)歲 (ages)

[geoff]

Thanks Henry & tyuti1668.

Is the county called Jungseng in Cantonese or Zengcheng in Mandarin & the village called Ngar Yiew in Cantonese? Do you know the name of the village in Mandarin?

Geoff

[tyuti1668]

Cantonese/ Mandarin Pronunciation: Copy and paste the character (Traditional ONLY) here

[laohuaqiao]

tyuti1668 said:

#1

增邑 (county) ??都 (town) 雅瑤(village)人氏

The 3 words under Zeng Yi are are really hard to make out. Is there a better image of that gravestone? Or, if they are scanned images, could they be scanned at a higher resolution.

My best guess of those words: 滇寧邨 dian ning cun (mandarin phonetics) 邨 is another word for village

btw, googling 雅瑤 (Ya Yao), found out that the Ng's first migrated to Guangdong from the north to Ya Yao before spreading out to other regions.

[tyuti1668]

Sorry, that 's a mistake in my previous therad
Your ancestor is using Chinese calendar instead the official ROC calendar (Gregorian calendar)

Gregorian-Lunar Calendar Conversion Table
The correct dates
George : 26 JUN 1938
Louisa : 28 DEC 1939

[Henry]

Hi Laohuaqiao,

Did your Googling tell you where Ya Yao is located ?

Henry

[geoff]

Thanks everyone for your info.

Henry has already used a high resolution.

Louisa (Australian born chinese) & husband NG (China born) were the parents of sons Ng Kum Tong & George Yook Tong, both born in China. When the family decided to move to Australia, Ng Kum Tong (aged 18) was denied access. He had to travel onto New Zealand. Attempts were made to reunite the family but without success. This is an example of Australia's immigration restrictions in 1920's.



Geoff

[laohuaqiao]

Henry,

Found one news item that mentioned 增城市花都區雅瑤鎮

Zengcheng Huadu District YaYao Township

From one of your maps Huadu City is on the expressway just north of Guangzhou, not far from Baiyun airport.

Cool, just discovered Google maps of China, ditu.google.cn
ditu means map or maps. YaYao town is just south Huadu City. I think ditu.google will be an invaluable tool.

[Ah Gin]

tyuti1688 et al,

Regarding the following:

#1

ÔöÒØ (county) ??¶¼ (town) ÑŬŽ(village)ÈËÊÏ
…Ç(NG)ÓñÌÃ(Yook Tong)¹«Ö®Ä¹
½K(dead)Ãñ‡ø(ROC era)Ø¥ÆßÄê(27 i.e.1938)ÎåÔÂ(May) Ø¥ÆßÈÕ (27th)

I am seeing ½KÃñ‡øØ¥ÆßÄê ÎåÔ إ¾ÅÈÕ, not Ø¥ÆßÈÕ, ie 29th day not 27th day of the 5th month

If that is the case, and assuming they are using the Chinese Calender, that would mean Ãñ‡ø 27Äê5ÔÂ29ÈÕ = Î÷Ôª1938Äê6ÔÂ26ÈÕ(ÐÇÆÚÈÕ) that is, CE 26th June, 1938. This then seems to align with the Gregorian date listed on the right hand side of the gravestone, which also aligns with the date on your second posting.

Regards, Ah Gin

[tyuti1668]

laohuaqiao said:

Henry,

Found one news item that mentioned 增城市花都區雅瑤鎮

Zengcheng Huadu District YaYao Township

From one of your maps Huadu City is on the expressway just north of Guangzhou, not far from Baiyun airport.

Cool, just discovered Google maps of China, ditu.google.cn
ditu means map or maps. YaYao town is just south Huadu City. I think ditu.google ...

Your research is going to "wrong" direction.
The correct one is 增城市沙埔镇雅瑶村

Electronic MAPs of mainland China

ditu.google.com (MapABC)-nothing fancy. Can't find village detail
map.baidu.com (Mapbar) - better than above. City Driving route suggestion is accurate but can't copy & paste to find village (just shown the the name in the town map AND need finding it urself) .
51ditu.com- Most user friendly. copy & paste the village name + city =Result (up to 100m level)

[Henry]

Thanks to our colleagues laohuaqiao and tyuti1668 !!

The 51ditu.com really helped to provide the general location:

The map below shows the location of Ya Yao village:

Enjoy,


Henry


mysite.verizon.net/vzepzaui/Ya Yao.jpg[/img]

[geoff]

Thank you everyone for locating Ya Yao village & to Henry for supplying the map.

Geoff