Difference between "ming" & "wei (hui)"

[Woodson]

It had always being my understanding that name (ming ¦W) and hui (wei ¿Ð) are one and the same. The term "hui" is used when referring to the name of an elder or superior. Recently, however, I received a scanned portion of a zupu which seems to indicate this isn't necessarily true.



I don't know whether this occurred throughout the entire zupu or just this section. I'll email the owner and ask her to clarify this point for us.

The question remains whether "ming" and "hui" are different terms for the same thing or they are two different animals.

[twoupman]

While "ming" and "hui" both mean "name", the former is a generic term whereas the latter is used in genealogy records to reference names of persons after their deaths.

[WaiYin]

I'm kinda the owner of the above mentioned zupu.

Thanks twoupman for the answer.

Just to clarify things what's the difference between a ming, hao, zi, and hui?
Which type of "name" is usually listed first on zupu?

On the zupu I have, it usually just lists one name. Is that the ming? Depending on the person sometimes a ming, hao, zi, and/or hui is also listed.

I put up more images and questions up at www.kwanfamily.info/confused/

[Woodson]

In your zupu's various prefaces, forwqrds and words from the editors is there any references to how it is organized or which is which?

I don't know if this will help in understanding the difference between ming and zi. Here is a sample of a zupu I'm currently working on:



It seems to indicate "ming" and "hui" are one and the same. And "zi" was used to describe, explain or expand on the "ming". Take a look at the 9th generation. His name was Ru Li (¦¼Â§) and zi Wei Gong (±©®¥). Wouldn't you agree that Li and Gong seem to go together?

Adopting a hao was a common practice among scholars. Li Bai (§õ¥Õ) was also know by his hao Qing Lian Ju Shi («C½¬©~¤h). He adopted this hao because he was from the Qing Lian district. Sometimes a person is better known by his hao than his name. An example is Su Dong Bo (ĬªF©Y)

There seems to be some inconsistency in the 26th generation. The hui and hao got mixed up between the two brothers.

You may want to check up on ©wºõ 's year of birth because the 10th year in the reign of Qian Long (°®¶©) 1745 is Yi Chou (¢è¤¡) not Ding You (¤B¨»). The closest Ding You year was 1717 but that would be in the reign of Qian Long's grandfather. The only Ding You year in Qian Long's reign was 1777 or 32 years later.