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Post by tyuti1668 on Jul 14, 2010 23:06:44 GMT -5
... considered Longdu. Is this correct? Yep.
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Post by mugenpower168 on Jul 15, 2010 3:11:24 GMT -5
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Post by mugenpower168 on Jul 17, 2010 21:02:21 GMT -5
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Post by mugenpower168 on Jul 22, 2010 1:28:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the links. In regards to å—é , I assumed it was part of Longdu because according to this www.c-c-c.org/villagedb/display.cgi?level=Heung&id=381 , å—é is part of "Area 2" which is of course ç¬¬äºŒå€ also known as 隆都/隆鎮. Was å—é one of the Yue-speaking villages that was administered by Longdu?
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Post by tyuti1668 on Jul 22, 2010 3:57:34 GMT -5
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Post by mugenpower168 on Jul 23, 2010 4:28:50 GMT -5
The following list is current as of 2003.
大涌 (1個居委會:大涌;10個æ‘委會:大涌ã€å—æ–‡ã€å®‰å ‚ã€åµç”°ã€å—æ‘ã€çŸ³äº•ã€å…¨ç¥¿ã€ç–ŠçŸ³ã€èµ·é³³ç’°ã€é’崗)
沙溪 (2個居委會:匯æºã€ä¸‹æœ—ï¼›27個æ‘委會:大åŒã€æ¿ 涌ã€æ•¦é™¶ã€ç§€å±±ã€æ²™å¹³ã€å¤§çŸ³å…œã€æ–°çŸ³é–€ã€æ–°è·¯ã€è±ªåã€é¾ç‘žã€é›²æ¼¢ã€æ¨‚群ã€é¾é ç’°ã€è–ç…ã€è±¡è§’ã€åµéœžã€å¶ºå¾Œäºã€ä¸‹æ¾¤ã€ä¸èˆˆã€ç”³æ˜Žäºã€åŽšå±±ã€æ¸¯åœ’ã€æ¶Œé ã€æ¶Œé‚Šã€å´—背ã€æ°´æºªã€æ¿å°¾åœ’)
I have read that there are 72 villages in Longdu? The above lists 37 of them. Where are the remaining 35 or so villages located?
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Post by tyuti1668 on Jul 23, 2010 7:35:53 GMT -5
æ‘委會 is just like sub-heung in "c-c-c db". Many smaller villagers UNDER "that". (Those small village often in 沙溪 which confese me/douglaslam ) When have spare time, i will finish the "comapre & re-list" project The materials are: c-c-c db/ (1989) 地åå¿—/ 西鄉æ‘åæŒ (Jul 91- ä¸å±±åƒ‘刊) For example åµç”°: å¤§åµ (æŽ)/ ç”°é | 港園: 港é / 塔園
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Post by mugenpower168 on Aug 4, 2010 4:42:53 GMT -5
I have a question regarding 敦陶æ‘. According to this www.wretch.cc/blog/jacknt0601/14176673 (scroll down to the part titled "隆都話"), the villagers speak a local dialect called 敦陶話 colloquially known as çœå²éš†è©± or åŠæ‘城話 which is a mixture of Standard Cantonese, Shekki and Loong Doo dialect. I would like to ask how (or why) 敦陶's village dialect became influenced by Shekki dialect and Cantonese. Afterall, the Fong clans of 敦陶, æ¿ æ¶Œ and å¤§åŒ are all descended from a common ancestor yet the latter two villages speak pure Loong Doo dialect.
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Post by tyuti1668 on Aug 4, 2010 6:53:51 GMT -5
...local dialect called 敦陶話 colloquially known as çœå²éš†è©± or åŠæ‘城話 which is a mixture of Standard Cantonese, Shekki and Loong Doo dialect... From my rusty memory: There was an article in "ZS daily"'s site (pre "zsnews.cn" text only days) The story is something like: Village chief (OR some high ranking offical )'s wive I don't remember exactly is a "outsider" from Canton. She HATE & don't understand the language & banned the "PURE" dialect in village.
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Post by kate on Aug 4, 2010 18:40:14 GMT -5
You will find two maps of this area in Michael Williams' PhD thesis 'Destination qiaoxiang', which is available online at: hub.hku.hk/handle/123456789/31596The maps are on pages 102 and 103. I believe that the village you are interested (Chong Tou) in is marked as no. 14 on the map on p.103 Using these maps it's not too difficult to locate the area using Google maps. The villages are no longer rural, but form part of the suburbs of Zhongshan city. Michael's thesis looked at the historical connections of Long Du people in Sydney, San Francisco and Hawaii, so it might provide some interesting reading. Cheers, Kate
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Post by mugenpower168 on Aug 5, 2010 1:39:30 GMT -5
Tyuti1668: Thanks for answering my question.
Kate: Thanks for sharing the thesis with me. I haven't read it yet but it does look interesting. Actually Chong Tou 涌é (Cantonese: Chung Tau) is a different village from Dun Tao 墩陶 (Cantonese:Tun To) however they are both located within Shaxi. Tun To is located about 2 km SW of 秀山 (no. 17 on the map).
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Post by mugenpower168 on Sept 7, 2011 22:44:04 GMT -5
大涌起鳳環 Hei Fung Wan
æ²™æºªæ¿ æ¶Œ Ho Chung
大涌疊石 Dip Shek
å¤§æ¶Œå®‰å ‚ On Tong
沙溪è–ç… Sing See
沙溪元亨里 Yuen Hang Lay
沙溪下澤 Ha Chak
沙溪é¾å±± Lung Shan
沙溪é¾ç‘ž Lung Sui
沙溪涌邊 Chung Bin
沙溪象角 Cheung Kok
大涌é’å´— Ching Kong
æ²™æºªç”³æ˜Žäº Sun Ming Ting
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Post by douglaslam on Oct 18, 2011 6:34:55 GMT -5
On 4th. October the Chungshan Society of Australia celebrated its 30th anniversary. On this significant day, we also celebrated the centenary of the 1911 Xinhai Revolution and the completion of a makeover and extension to the club house. This is the narrow frontage of the club house. One Chinese character is missing from the building. The premises is typical of the early inner city semi-detach. Though we the Chungshan people, are well represented in the state of New South Wales, we never had a proper meeting place called our own. From online records, there was an ad hoc society going back to 19th century, and meeting were held in one of the emporiums. Thirty years ago, a group of activists saw the need to rally the compatriots and initiated a drive to raise money for a club house. The same building now would cost considerably more. http: //i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy65/fatherofaei/th_362b9e58.jpg[/IMG][/URL] http: //i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy65/fatherofaei/th_7152e84d.jpg[/IMG][/URL] A roast pig is indispensable for a grand occasion like this. There are two lions to bring good luck to the Society. Representatives from our home county came expressly to offer their congratulations and join in the celebrations. In the evening, we have a big dinner party, with a good sprinkling of politicians amongst other official guests. A big surprise for me is the unexpected meeting with Daphne Lowe-Kelley. siyigenealogy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=news&action=display&thread=1416 I recognise her from her television interview and introduce myself. She tells me she is not giving up on obtaining an apology for the past wrong doing to the Chinese. Bravo !! This is the main hall on the ground floor. Naturally, Sun Yat-sen takes centre stage for he is our most famous son, to whom our county is named after. The frame across the top is a reproduction of Dr. Sun's calligraphy proclaiming the World is for All. http: //i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy65/fatherofaei/th_7152e84d.jpg[/IMG][/URL]
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Post by Ah Gin on Oct 18, 2011 13:48:52 GMT -5
Douglas,
My congratulations to the Chungsan Society of Australia on this important occasion and the marking of a major milestone in the development of the Chungsan folks in Australia. To have your own meeting place is something special.
Regards, Ah Gin
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Post by Doug 周 on Oct 18, 2011 14:58:33 GMT -5
Douglas,
¿Does the Chungshan Society of Australia have an active Yang 杨 surname branch? I am trying to contact people interested in their genealogy from the village 申明亭 SunMingTing.
If so, can I get in contact with someone from that branch? Please private email me.
Doug
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