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Post by tonychu on Mar 14, 2009 4:17:48 GMT -5
I am trying to find info about my ancesters. I just came across a document of my great grandfather. he came from Canton area. He attend NYC and then Columbia, graduating 1912. I tried to call Columbia and NYC but they do not have records going back that far.
this document also gave a brief history of his life in China after his graduation, and then mentioned him going to England with the chinese consulate.
but I have not been able to find much info about any of these on the internet.
any advise?
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Post by Henry on Mar 14, 2009 10:38:37 GMT -5
Hi Tony, Welcome to the Forum. Wow - your great grandfather was quite a pioneer. As a Colombia graduate and Chinese consul to England. This document is a wonderful heirloom for the family. Is there any Chinese written in this document? Was the document an autobiography? Do yo have his college diploma from Columbia. I suggest checking with the Colombia alumi association or the Columbia library - they may have college year books and graduation books. There is also a very well known Chinese collection at Columbia and they may have some special information about Chinese graduates of Columbia. I would also think that there is probably a Chinese student association at Columbia that you can check with. Where is your great grandfather buried and does his gravestone have Chinese characters inscribed on it? If it does and you can get a digital photo of it to post here on the Forum: siyigenealogy.proboards28.com/index.cgi?board=comment&action=display&thread=421There are members that can read Chinese and the information on the gravestone will probably include his full Chinese name, dates of birth & death, Chinese name of your ancestral village and nearest market town. Once we have the Chinese name of your ancestral village, it can be located and if you want - the village chief of your ancestral village can be contacted and he can possibly identify any village relatives and also try to find and make a copy of your family genealogy book. Henry |
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Post by laohuaqiao on Mar 15, 2009 7:16:07 GMT -5
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Post by tonychu on Mar 20, 2009 22:01:34 GMT -5
my great father's name is Chu Shao-Hsin. I have a document with his photo and short description of life history. my step grandfather found this document in library but he forgot what document (he's over 90 so...)
this document saids he was sent to America in Feb 1908 by the chinese board of educations. he studied 3 years in NYU and then did post grad in Columbia, graduating 1911 with a B.S. in 1912 he obtained a M.A. it said he also opened a chinese public school in NYC.
I called Columbia, but their records only go back to 1940s. they could not tell me where to go for records this old.
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Post by laohuaqiao on Mar 20, 2009 22:27:45 GMT -5
Your great grandfather then graduated with a BS from NYU in 1911 and obtained a MA from Columbia in 1912? In what fields of study did he get his degrees? The individual departments where he studied may have records.
I can definitely inquire for you at NYU if that's where he received his BS degree, and I'll see what can be done with Columbia.
Do you know the name of the Chinese school?
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Post by laohuaqiao on Mar 23, 2009 11:10:41 GMT -5
NYU alumni office doesn't have records going that far. The suggestion is to contact registrar's office for records on enrollment. I sent you a message containing the NYU registrar's contact info, see top of this page.
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Post by tonychu on Mar 27, 2009 18:07:50 GMT -5
thanks for the advise.
I copied the whole article below.
His Excellency Chu Shao-Hsin, was born at Hua Hsien, Kwang-tung Province, in 1880. In his youth he was educated in the Chinese classics, by his father and his uncle, -who both enjoyed high repute as distinguished writers. In 1896, he attended the prefectural competitive examinations, and obtained the literary degree of Hsiu Ts’ai, or Licentiate. In 1897, he became a Lin-sheng, or salaried Licentiate; and he was then admitted, as a scholar, to the Kuang Ya Colleage, Canton, where he became an instructor in literature. From 1903 to 1907, Mr. Chu attended the Imperial University of Peking, -where he received the literary degree of Chu-jen, or Provincial Graduate (equivalent to the Western degree of M. A.).
In Feb 1908, Mr. Chu was sent to America, by Chinese board of education. for three years, he studied commerce and finance at New york university. later he took post-graduate courses in political science and in law at Columbia university, where he graduated, in 1911, with the degree of B.S. in 1912, he obtained the degree of M.A.
Mr. Chu returned to China in Dec 1912, and first joined the Government university of Peking, as professor in economics. later he was appointed secretary and political councillor to the president's office, under his excellency Yuan Shih-kai. In April 1913, when the First Parliament was inaugurated in Peking, Mr. Chu was a Senator representing Chinese residing overseas. He served with distinction on the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Senate, and was also a member of the Constitutional Drafting committee, which held its sessions in the Temple of Heaven, Peking. He was a member of the Kuomingtang Party. After the dissolution of the Parliament, he was appointed Mixed court magistrate of Kulangsu, Amoy, Fukien Province. This position he later resigned to return to Peking to practice law, and was elected by the Peking lawyers association as its vice president.
when the first parliament was reconvoked, by President Li Yuan-hung, in June 1916, Mr. Chu again served as Senator, until June 1917, when it was again dissolved. Mr. Chu was then appointed commissioner of foreign affairs for Kiangsu province. there he came in contact with the late General Feng Kuo-chang, then vice president of the Republic, whose headquarters was in Nanking. In August 1917, General Feng Kuo-chang assumed the Presidency, and asked Mr. Chu to join him, as English secretary. Mr. Chu was appointed Consul-General in San Francisco, in 1918, and served until Feb 1921, when he was transferred to the Chinese legation in London, as first secretary and counselor and later made Charge d’Affaires. In May 1920, Mr. Chu was awared the third order of Paokuang Chaioho. During the absence of Dr. V.K.Wellington Koo, then Minnister of Great Britain, who attended the assembly of the league of nations, in Geneva, and the Washington conference, (subsequently on his return in China, from leave, becoming minister of foreign affairs at Peking), Mr. Chu acted as Charge d’Affairs to great Britain.
In Feb 1922, Mr. Chu was appointed to represent Chin on the Opium Advisory committee constituted under the league of nations. In sept 1922, he attended the third assembly of the league of nations, as China’s delegate-substitute. In Oct 1922, he was awarded the second order of Tashou Chiaho. Since Feb 24th, 1921, he has continued to serve as acting minister to Great Britain.
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Post by tyuti1668 on Mar 27, 2009 19:47:57 GMT -5
This book contain the above text & Mr Chu's photo From chinese website: ... 朱兆莘（1879～1932），字鼎青，广州市花县赤坭黄沙塘村（现巴江乡）人... The current address of that village in "China Post db" = 广东省广州市花都区 赤坭镇黄沙塘村 510830 MAP |
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Post by Henry on Mar 27, 2009 20:41:24 GMT -5
Hi Tony, tyuti1668 found a book that had the name of your ancestral village: 广州市 花县赤坭黄沙塘村 It is about 20 km north of Guangzhou City ( Canton ). Since your great grandfather was a rather famous diplomat - I suggest that you contact the: Guangdong Overseas Chinese Affairs Office gocn.southcn.com/english/Email: gdsfqb@gdnet.com.cn Add: 8 Haishan Jie, Ersha Island Guangzhou 510105 Tel: + 86-20-87353375 Fax: + 86-20-87352060 Provide them your great grandfather's full name and this village location and this office can probably call the village chief and identity any relatives still living in the village. What you also want is a family genealogy book that has your great grandfather's name name, it may also have your grandfather's name - then you can add yourself and your father to the lineage. Ask this office to check out this book about your great grandfather - it might have some additional information. It may cost some money to have it translated into English - but, you'll have a nice biography. Also, if you decide to visit your ancestral village, this office can probably arrange the visit for you. The Guangzhou airport has recently has had a lot of new international flights arriving there. Good Luck ! Henry |
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Post by tyuti1668 on Mar 27, 2009 22:20:25 GMT -5
Oh! The "赤坭黄沙塘村" isn't the ancestor's birth place 朱展鸿 migrated from 東莞市横沥镇半仙山村( MAP) The story: (*= 1 6 3 .com -this site blacklisted that domain name) |
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Post by Henry on Mar 28, 2009 4:48:41 GMT -5
Hi tyuti1668,
Please clarify and excuse my lack of Chinese literacy - I have used a Chinese dictionary with notes so that others that are also illiterate in Chinese can follow:
The link to the "story" no longer working.
Who was "Zhu zhan hong" 朱展鸿 ( simplified) / 朱展鴻 (traditional)?
Apparently, he was born in:
東莞市 Dongguan city
横沥镇 Hengli town
半仙山村 "ban xian shan cun"
半 ban ( half )
仙 xian ( celestrial being )
山 shan ( mountain )
村 cun ( village )
" during 康熙 peroid (1662-1722) "
Tony's great grandfather (ggf) :
" His Excellency Chu Shao-Hsin, was born at Hua Hsien, Kwang-tung Province, in 1880. "
Hua Hsien (county) is now Huadu / Hua du (district) [ 花都区 / 花都區 ] - now in the northern part of Guangzhou city (Canton).
Isn't the village where Chu Shao Hsin was born: "广州市 花县赤坭黄沙塘村" ?
Thanks.
Henry
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Post by laohuaqiao on Mar 28, 2009 9:18:01 GMT -5
tyuti1668’s link is to a blog page which posted an article on the Chu/Zhu clan in Dongguan, Guangdong. Briefly, descendants of famous Southern Song Confucian philosopher Zhu Xi 朱熹 (1130-1200AD) have settled in Donguan Hengli Half Celestrial Mountain village 横沥镇半仙山村 for 550 years (migrated south during the Ming dynasty). There are about 1500 Zhu's currently living there. One of the descendants Zhu Zhan Hong 朱展鸿 moved (from Dongguan) to Guangzhou Huadu district 广州花县赤坭黄沙塘村 during the Qing emperor Kangxi period (1662-1722). Chu Shao Hsin 朱兆莘 descended from Zhu Zhan Hong. He recognized his roots in Dongguan, cared deeply about the affairs of the village, oversaw the renovation of the Half Celestrial Mountain village and was involved in the planning and construction of a railroad station in the area. In the Zhu ancestral temple, there is a statue of Chu Shao Hsin next to the statue of Zhu Xi. Here's another online version of the article with photos of the ancestral temple in Gongguan. news.anhuinews.com/system/2007/04/29/001729327.shtml |
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Post by geoff on Mar 28, 2009 16:27:19 GMT -5
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Post by tyuti1668 on Mar 28, 2009 17:16:30 GMT -5
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Post by geoff on Mar 28, 2009 19:12:59 GMT -5
Thanks tyuti1668
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