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Post by liuyao on Apr 3, 2015 14:38:24 GMT -5
Hi michel,
Sorry I couldn't figure out how to make a 10-page pdf from it. The relevant pages are 1523-1532 if you want to give it a try (you have to read it backward, so p. 1532 is the first page, with the name 施調賡 in big font).
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Post by michel on Apr 3, 2015 20:49:22 GMT -5
OK that's fine too. Thank you!
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Post by FayChee on Apr 7, 2015 23:57:12 GMT -5
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Post by michel on Apr 8, 2015 6:26:01 GMT -5
fay, that's very kind of you. thank you very much!
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Post by FayChee on Apr 8, 2015 7:45:51 GMT -5
No problem Michel. If you don't know how to copy and paste it from here, I can email it to you or make the pages into a PDF and link it so you can download the PDF.
Fay Chee
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Post by michel on Apr 9, 2015 2:51:10 GMT -5
hi everyone, just wanted to post an image from my ancestral village. my aunty is visiting the city at the moment. She took this picture from her hostel, 17th floor. She said our (old) house is on the middle of the picture, but I'm not sure which one is it. She is going to meet our family member named Shi de ming (sie te ming). I think he shares my father;s generation, thus, technically my uncle. I will post more pics once my aunt get in touch with this person I should have gone with her.
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Post by michel on Apr 9, 2015 10:09:07 GMT -5
hi everyone. my aunt just sent me another picture. it seems the house is a ruin. nobody lives there anymore. I feel sad looking at this picture... and my ultimate question is, is there any place I can ask of how to claim the legal ownership of this house?
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Post by lachinatown on Apr 9, 2015 10:52:10 GMT -5
Is this in Longxi, Fujian michel?
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Post by FayChee on Apr 9, 2015 15:31:12 GMT -5
Michel,
This house is far more beautiful than the new high-rise boxes. It has traditional architecture, and I love the old original roof tiles. You are so very lucky that it is still standing and embedded with the essence of Ancestors past. Can your Aunt get inside and take pictures or look for an old rice bowl? Cherish it before the government tears it down and puts a cement high rise box in it's place.
Fay Chee
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Post by lachinatown on Apr 9, 2015 16:18:01 GMT -5
The sign reads: 車庫门前, 請勿仃車 or Cheku menqian, qing wu ding che Garage door, do not leave car
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Post by michel on Apr 9, 2015 20:41:22 GMT -5
lachinatown Avatar Apr 9, 2015 22:52:10 GMT 7 lachinatown said: Is this in Longxi, Fujian michel? yes, I believe it's located at 92 longxiwen, zhangzhou, Fujian. thanks for the translation.
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Post by michel on Apr 9, 2015 20:45:26 GMT -5
Michel, This house is far more beautiful than the new high-rise boxes. It has traditional architecture, and I love the old original roof tiles. You are so very lucky that it is still standing and embedded with the essence of Ancestors past. Can your Aunt get inside and take pictures or look for an old rice bowl? Cherish it before the government tears it down and puts a cement high rise box in it's place. Fay Chee yes, I will ask my aunt for more pics. unfortunately she is there for a very short duration before going back to taiwan. next time I want to go with her (and there goes my plan to visit my long-lost dutch family in netherlands...) I wonder if anyone knows how long it takes for the chinese government to seize an ownerless property? in indonesia, it takes 20 years before the government doing so. but I'm not sure about china. nobody in my family takes care about this matter. since I inherit the surname of this family and really proud of my chinese ancestry, I really want to take care of it. it looks like an important historical heritage, shame if it's torn down only because nobody knows what do with it
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Post by liuyao on Apr 10, 2015 10:52:26 GMT -5
It's great to see pictures! And I agree with every word that Fay said.
I thought the letters that you posted were about dealing with these properties, back in the 1980s. Did it not work out? Technically, the Communist regime does not allow private properties, and land in particular is never (after 1949) privately owned. Even today when people buy houses or apartments, your are only entitled to "live" on it, for up to 70 years or so (and no one knows what happens after that). Back in the 1980s there were probably ways to claim your properties, right after the hectic period of the cultural revolution when the whole country was turned upside down. It would be more difficult to do it now.
So, given that the land is owned by the Country, the government could decide at any time to take it and make it look like your first picture, with some compensation of course. (That's partly how China was able to grow so fast in the last 35 years.) Luckily, there have been more public awareness in preserving traditional neighborhoods and architectures, and if you can somehow get your ancestor's home in the list of "cultural heritages" (I think it already is at the city-level, from the blog post I gave you; the higher up the better), it will be safer. I think the one next to your home, which belonged to a nephew of 施調賡 called 施蔭棠, who became a sort of revolutionary in the city of Zhangzhou in 1911, does have some cultural values, and is open to public as a small museum. That's some assurance.
Anyway, your relative in China should know best the local situations.
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Post by michel on Apr 29, 2015 22:55:38 GMT -5
hi everyone. I'm not sure if I can secure right to that house. I think it will be a long term project for me since nobody in my family want to look at this matter. since I cannot speak chinese, it becomes even more difficult. I will probably visit this city in the next few years and see if I can do something about it. also, I'm just wondering if someone can summarize this page? I think it contains information about 施調賡 www.xzbu.com/5/view-2136603.htm
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Post by michel on May 3, 2015 2:51:51 GMT -5
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