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Post by berna on Jul 28, 2014 18:02:31 GMT -5
I am born with a chinese father and a filipino mother. At the age of 4, I was separated
from my father, since then I do not have any information about my fathers whereabouts.
I got few information from the Department of Immigration Philippines that the family name which I am bearing now as Teng is not the real family name of my father. I am only bearing his changed name. The real name of my father is LIM TEE. Based on his landing certificate he is a son of a merchant named Lim King from Chinkang China.
The only proof that I have is his few documents and a certificate written in Chinese words
which I cannot even read and some few photos of his relatives in China.
I am looking forward that through your site I could find a way to seek for my descendants.
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Post by lachinatown on Jul 28, 2014 19:56:41 GMT -5
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Post by berna on Jul 29, 2014 0:13:41 GMT -5
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Post by berna on Jul 29, 2014 0:15:11 GMT -5
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Post by berna on Jul 29, 2014 0:18:41 GMT -5
my father's family  |
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Post by kwkwlau on Jul 29, 2014 3:54:12 GMT -5
The first picture shows a certificate of a person, I assume the person in the black and white photo, joined an Chinese association. The name of the association is literally translated to Ancient Island Chinese Immigrant Youth Club. I believe that is Ancient Island is Cotabato in Philippines. I never been to Phillipine and some other who lived in the area may know more about that. The certificate was issued on 1952. The person issued to have a Chinese name Ding Gam Yeuk with current Cantonese Pronunciation. Ding and Teng are not that difference and possibly because of the person may based the pronunciation of another dialect. The second picture probably some kind of immigration paper and the quality of the picture is poor so I cannot commend. Also you mention Chinkang China. Since most people moving to Philippine at the time are from the coastal area. It is likely a city or county near Amoy (currently known as Xiamen). In fact, this was discussed in another thread siyigenealogy.proboards.com/thread/1524/. There were two locations suggested: Jinjiang (晉江) a city located NE of Xiamen (south of Quanzhou [泉州] and 清港 of Xiamen. |
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Post by tyuti1668 on Jul 29, 2014 23:31:53 GMT -5
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Post by kwkwlau on Jul 31, 2014 17:40:23 GMT -5
berna, this blog about 丁 is interesting. Basically they are originated from an Arabian country and they still practice Muslim. Looking at the pictures, they are heavily marrying within the group so they could maintain a sizable Arabian DNA. If you want to see you are related to them or not, a DNA test can give you some info. I did my DNA test with 23andMe. Look at their website 23andme.com. The price ($100) is reasonable and they have a very large customer base. You may also find who are your relative. If your mother is still available for testing, do her as well as those relating to you through her can be eliminated. One other point, I would think that you are not one of them as your father had fairer complexion than those in the pictures in the blog. But looking at picture are not reliable.
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Post by laohuaqiao on Jul 31, 2014 20:01:39 GMT -5
From berna's first post, he believes Lim Tee is his father's name and Lim King is his grandfather's name. His family name is Lim or Lin 林.
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Post by kwkwlau on Aug 1, 2014 17:54:59 GMT -5
I agreed. Also in the first picture he send the name used in a Chinese immigrant association is 丁金茲 and not 林. Frequently people used their real name in such situation. But who knows. That is why I believe in DNA testing over oral or even written history.
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Post by laohuaqiao on Aug 1, 2014 22:19:10 GMT -5
DNA testing also has its limitations.
In Siyi region, male adoption rate was at one time very high, in some villages it was as high as 50%. I don't know if it's true also for southern Fujian region. Considering even a lower rate, 20%, after 3 successive generations, there is almost 50% chance a male descendant does not match the DNA of his paternal great grandfather.
Another situation where DNA testing will not work is some villages might have started out as multi-surname village, but after a number of generations one surname clan significantly outnumbered the other surnames, under pressure the smaller clans changed their surname to the dominant surname and worshiped that group's ancestors, making the village a single surname village.
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Post by Doug 周 on Aug 3, 2014 9:08:26 GMT -5
We have gotten way off topic for poor berna, but that won’t stop me from commenting  I was planning to write something about my impressions about the current (2014) state of DNA testing and Chinese genealogy, these threads provide an opportunity. I have been communicating with kwkwlau (surname 劉) on the 23andMe web site because of a positive DNA match. His ancestral village is only a few miles from my paternal and maternal grandfather’s ancestral villages in Zhongshan. kwkwlau has a lot of experience in DNA testing. He has also studied his family history and has traced some of his heritage to his gggf. We deduced our genealogical connection is with both his paternal grandmother’s lineage (周-my and her surname) and also his paternal g-grandmother (杨-my mother’s and kwkwlau's ggm's surname). My point is this we could not have correlated our data without kwkwlau doing his basic genealogical research and tracing his family 劉 surname and ancestral village. Our particular connection required kwkwlau in particular knowing the surnames of the women ancestors. If I could have studied his 劉 jiapu (not available because uncle lost it), and if his grandfather’s jiapu biography (jia zhuan 家傅) had a notation of his grandmother’s 周 heritage, then we could have found a confirmed genealogical connection. I have gotten several 23andMe requests from accounts which match the DNAs I manage. These account owners are looking for the genealogical heritage of adoptees or people who cannot document their lineage. There has (so far) not been a successful connection unless they too have done their basic genealogical research (like kwkwlau). Most of them are not able to trace any of their heritage via the standard genealogical methods we advocate on this Forum The need to have done your basic genealogical research in addition to your DNA testing is implicitly recognized by 23andMe. They have a section for posting your family tree with your DNA profile. This seems at first contrary to what I stated in a previous post click. However, with the current available DNA databases and algorithms, finding your heritage via DNA matching alone is not yet precise enough to find genealogical connections. Yet I still recommend you obtain the DNA sample from your elders before they expire. We are expecting future research will improve the DNA matches. It would be charitable, if you already have the family tree of an ancestors lineage, to obtain the DNA of someone within that line. Therefore berna, I would recommend you continue your family interviews and recording your family heritage using the methods in the wiki How to Start Your Chinese Family Heritage Research click in addition to using the services of 23andMe. IMHO |
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Post by laohuaqiao on Aug 4, 2014 19:35:31 GMT -5
His Immigrant Certificate of Residence raises some questions: Under name, in one section it's Lim Te and in another section Lim Te Antonio Teng ( what is the significance of this additional name?) DOB: Sept. 23, 1917 Age: 35 ( certificate issued in 1952 or 1953) Port of entry: Mla ( presumably Manila) Year: 1927 S/S Anking Travel papers: consular request LCR #75801-83966 Date issued: 11/25/27 A.C.R. no. : A-62450, Cotabato 9/14/50 He arrived at the Philippines at the age of 10 on the boat SS Anking in 1927. Does a passenger list still exist? At age of 10, he must have traveled with an adult? With whom?Info on SS Anking, sank in 1942, www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?134745LCR stands for Local Civil Register, Philippines government office for civilian records, birth, marriage, etc. Are there any documents related to LCR #75801-83966 on file? |
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I was planning to write something about my impressions about the current (2014) state of DNA testing and Chinese genealogy, these threads provide an opportunity.