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Post by FayChee on Oct 1, 2020 23:31:16 GMT -5
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Post by FayChee on Oct 1, 2020 23:58:55 GMT -5
Thanks so much Jason, If we can find the Chinese characters for all 4 brothers, we may match up with a family tree in the zupu. So we may have: Ah Doi if he is Jingwen Chung Sing if he is Man ki But could not find a tombstone for Mon Chung or York Seto yet... Roy thinks that he found the Chinese characters for Chung Sing (aka Mon Kee) who was President of the See Yup Benevolent Society at one time. He obtained a list of the past Presidents and found a Man Ki Seto.....here is the list
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Post by davek on Oct 4, 2020 19:04:30 GMT -5
Hi All,
Fellow Seto from Toronto, Canada. Just came across this site while looking for things online that might interest my Dad. Thought the site was interesting and it is pretty cool that people here are trying to connect with the roots in whatever way.
Noticed that there are a few people who have contributed a lot in trying to help others with the questions in a few pages that I have looked at. Just wanted to thank those people as I am sure they are helping provide some clarity
Best, Dave
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Post by Grace on Nov 18, 2020 3:01:30 GMT -5
Hello! I'm new to ancestry research and just started a couple of weeks ago when I came across some old family pics while helping my dad clean up. I started googling all sorts of things and stumbled upon this fantastic forum, which is a treasure trove of info! After combing through this Soo Hoo, Seto, Szeto, Situ from Hoiping (Kaiping) thread specifically, I was able to locate my maternal great-grandfather's Szeto village from the 200 Szeto Villages book that Fay Chee posted. Thank you BTW! According to his tombstone, my great-grandfather, Bingtaw Soo Hoo (司徒炳藻), was from Hengxili/Xishe (横溪里/西社) hamlet, in Wing Kin Heung Village (永坚乡), Chikan Town (赤坎). I was able to locate my great-grandfather's Bing character (炳) in an older generational poem, but noticed that the Bing character (炳) that was in the older version is omitted and replaced with the 光 character (line 42) in the updated generational poem in Volume Six. Since the bing (炳) character was removed in the newer generational poem, does that mean I have to look in the older Zupus to try and find his name? I'm a little confused on how to proceed from here. Secondly, in Irene's (Beloved8) post below, she mentions a group of Bings, so I'm wondering if my great-grandfather is somehow connected to this "Bing Pool". He was born in 1890 though, and his name (Bingtaw 炳藻) according to translation apps, means "bright grass". I also remember reading that Irene's ancestral village is Wing Kin Heung, the same as my great-grandfather's. page 383 looks promising because there is also a Quan thrown in the mix. There is something called the Bing pool. Dad's name would be bright spring (source of water)... his younger brother is bright year. I figured out bright boat, for Ronnie - the one who was Great Grandpa's size. Meaning he wasn't very big. And I can't figure out the other name meanings. I sent it to my sister to show Dad. In actuality, Dad's generation would have had at least 11 Bings that I can count. And that's only with the uncles that I am aware of.... I found some ship/passenger records that indicate my great-grandfather would have immigrated to the US via the Port of San Francisco around 1920. I think he worked in SF Chinatown for a bit selling produce before eventually moving to Jonestown, Mississippi, to open his own grocery store. So, part of his history is among the Mississippi Delta Chinese. He eventually sold his store and moved back to San Francisco though. He was married to 李英琼 (Ying King Lee), my great grandmother. Anyway, that's the gist of where I'm at. Maybe I am going about it all wrong, so any help or suggestions on how to find my great-grandfather in the zupu would be very much appreciated! PS - My grandmother on the Szeto side also married a Kwan/Quan
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Post by wingjoe on Mar 10, 2021 11:32:37 GMT -5
Hi It's WingJoe I've been looking at this site periodically but haven't added anything because I haven't been doing much research. Thanks to the Siyi community with helping me. One thing I have been doing is some writing. Part of the writing is summed up in what I've called the SooHoo Narrative and has to do with our family immigration to the USA.
In looking over the ancient history I recall my web search. Our name translates to some type of Minister of one of the early dynasties. I've seen where it is Minister of Culture, Prime Minister, with duties of governing of people, land, properties, education and culture. The exact title is subject to translation (beyond me) and the dynasty. The web also states the title or surname goes back to as far as the Yao dynasty (2,357-2,255 BCE). The SiTu name/title has been around for a very long time. In the ancient dynasty days positions of power and influence were given to those with the right connections and to those who did well on exams. The SiTu family maintained their position at least up to the point they had to flee the Hebei area and ended up in the Pearl River area. This means that the SiTus were part of the court establishment. In Chinese they would be the Shr or literati class. In the more recent years they would have had to pass the strict governmental exams to maintain their position. I think this Shr or literati class is part of the background court establishment that keeps everything going while the King and /or emperor may change over the years. It's sort of like the bureaucracy that a lot of governments maintain. I disagreeessment is these ancestors weren't ordinary citizens but had positions that reached the highest levels of government.
I was also doing some reading on Chinese history around the time our ancestors fled the northern China region and went south. This is in the year AD1127. The Dynasty at the time was the Song dynasty (960-1279 AD). During the first half there was conflict with the Khitan (Liao state). The Song allied with te Jin Jurchen barbarians to overthrow the Khitans. The Jurchen defeated the Khitan in 1125 AD. The Jurchen captured the Song capital of Kaifeng in 1127 AD. They captured the Song emperor and carried him and many of the royal family away into captivity. They lived in captivity for the rest of their lives. The remnants of the court (including the SiTus) had to flee south and fought for several years to survive. By 1135 AD the Song had basically given up hope of regaining the horth and a new capital at Hangzhou became the center of the Southern Song dynasty. The Southern Song dynasty last until 1279 AD.
It's not known if the SiTus remained part of the Southern Song dynasty court or not and what prompted them to move further south to the Guangdong area and eventually to the Kaiping (Hoiping) area and spread out further.
Thanks for reading. WingJoe
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Post by FayChee on Apr 21, 2021 21:38:35 GMT -5
Hi SiYi Friends! Just popped in to let you know that I am still alive but having problems with my eyes.....need cataract surgery I think. Haven't been able to concentrate on research and just trying to stay safe with Covid around. I did get 2 shots of Moderna, but now there are variants and talk of a 3rd booster shot in six months or so. I just got all 8 volumes of the New Seto Zupus via a good friend. It turns out that there are 3 of volume 4 (Books 1, 2, 3, 4A, 4B, 4C, 5, and 6). Hi Wing Joe, I read your research and it is very good Szeto History. Thank you for making it available here. You are welcomed to borrow the Seto Zupu's if you would like to take a look. My contact info is still the same. I don't know if I shared with SiYi friends, that a surprise DNA relative showed up in my DNA match list, and it turned out to be the granddaughter of my Chinese sister, Wai Gwin, who married a Gee and raised their family in San Francisco. Her sons (and daughter) remember hearing about us, but .......... Life goes on. Stay safe and healthy! Fay Chee
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Post by FayChee on May 5, 2021 14:59:40 GMT -5
Hello Everyone,
It's been almost a year, and I just received immigration records from the S.F. INS on Chung Sing Seto (aka Mun Gee/Mon Kee) and his wife Char Shee, for Roy In most of the documents, Chung Sing said that he was born 'In China' or "Hoy Ping", but in the more recent 1934 document, he said that he was born in Sin Lung Village, Hoy Ping District.
Up to this point, I had been searching the records for Xuan Long Li as seen on his tombstone, so now I am wondering if Sin Lung and Xuan Long are the same? I am assuming that it is the same.
Can anyone confirm that?
Thank you, Fay Chee
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Post by stevel1963 on Jul 9, 2021 12:40:38 GMT -5
Hi
My grandfather, Stanley SooHoo, immigrated to Globe, AZ and I would love to know more about him. I am the son of his 3rd daughter, Betty, who was also born in Globe, AZ. I loved reading about John Mee and was excited to see my grandfather's and Uncle Frank SooHoo's name mentioned. I would greatly appreciated any information.
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Post by evelyn on Sept 3, 2021 15:52:21 GMT -5
Hi Fay Chee, We had been on a previous thread a while back. When I was in China, I found out from one of the gents there that there were plans to do about 14 volumes of the Zupu and I think my family was among some of the smaller families and they were not yet included.
Does anyone know if there is a family clan association in Hawaii? Is it active? I was thinking perhaps some of my ancestor may have migrated to there in the 1800s.
Thanks,
Evelyn Seto
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Post by FayChee on Oct 17, 2021 21:13:59 GMT -5
Just want to let the Szeto Clan know that Mr. Liang Szeto, Manager of the Situ Library in Chikan, just wrote a new Seto Genealogy Book. I was told that it had more information than the new Seto Zupu's. Here is a link to a 3 min video of Liang Szeto, who is 85 years old, talking about his new book. I can not speak or read Chinese, so I don't really know what he is saying. I received a free copy of the new book from his nephew, Wing Tak Szeto, who is President of the Hong Kong Worldwide Szeto Association. He marked the pages that pertain to my Clan in Chaoyang li. I did a Google Translation of those pages and there was more information. I uploaded the video of Liang to 'MyDrive' and you can see or download the video: drive.google.com/file/d/1MnRvd2o0B892o2ARi_4inuDw44QGU1nl/view?usp=sharingI hope he is saying how you can get the book, but I really don't know. It contains a large Szeto Family Tree going back to 1127....both sides have the different trees.....depending on whether your ancestors branched from the left or right side of Gen 3. Fay Chee
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Post by LJ on Oct 20, 2021 18:09:33 GMT -5
Thank you for letting us know, Fay Chee. I saw the video, but with my first grade-level of Chinese, I couldn't understand the majority of what Mr. Szeto said. I could tell though that he spoke in Cantonese with a Taishanese accent, introduced himself, and mentioned something about the first three generations of our Szeto ancestors. Fortunately, the video has close captions, so I can pause at each line of text, transcribe it into Unicode at MDBG.net, and Google Translate it. Does the new book have sections on 龙口里 (龍口里 / Lung Hou Lay / Lóngkǒulǐ / Lung⁴ hau² lei⁵), 华龙里 (華龍里 / Wah Lung Lay / HuáLónglǐ / Waa⁴ lung⁴ lei⁵), and 潮龙里 (潮龍里 / Chiu Lung Lay / Cháolónglǐ / Cháolóng / Ciu⁴ lung⁴ lei⁵) in 赤坎 (Chik Hom / Chìkǎn / Cek³ ham¹), Kaiping? Cheers! LJeung
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Post by tsin.unfoon on Jan 2, 2022 13:09:39 GMT -5
My uncle's 2nd son's wife (my ye sao in Cantonese) is from the Seto village of Sai Hing Lay (西興里) in Hoiping County (開平). Could anyone own a copy of the "200 Seto Village" book tell me if the book contain more information on her village beside a picture of the village? I would like to purchase a copy as gift to my ye sao if it has more information. Thanks.
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Post by jasonwu on Jan 3, 2022 14:50:54 GMT -5
Hi Dan,
There isn't much information past the standard statistics. Please see Sai Hing in the lower half of the following page:
Sai Hing Lay (Xixingli), founded circa 1792; 32 households, 98 persons; 26 households abroad, 72 persons.
Hope this helps. Jason
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Post by tsin.unfoon on Jan 4, 2022 20:36:06 GMT -5
Thanks a lot Jason. I'll just send her the image. Oh, what is the publishing date for this book?
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Post by FayChee on Jan 5, 2022 0:20:43 GMT -5
Hi JasonWu, If you need information from the New Situ Village Book, let me know.
Fay Chee
(email me, as I forget to check in here)
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