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Post by Doug 周 on Jan 9, 2020 12:24:09 GMT -5
siong, Unsure whom you are addressing 'so many years since', but if you are looking for a digital copy of someone's 陳 family tree, consider logging into Geni.com and search the profile of philiptancl . You can private message philiptancl on the Forum for more details.
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Post by philiptancl on Jan 14, 2020 4:15:13 GMT -5
Hi Siong, If your ancestral place is from 小岵 itself (now known as岵山), it is likely you are descended either from You Dao Gong (優道公) eldest son Jin Gong (進公) and his 4th son Ke Zhi (可治). You Dao Gong (優道公) is at Generation 15 counting from the first ancestor Xiao Wei Gong (校尉公) in Yongchun (永春) Xiao Hu (小岵). The Chen/Tan (陳) clan descended Xiao Wei Gong (校尉公) from all over the world just gathered during Winter Solstice (22 December 2019) at the clan main ancestral hall at Hu Shan (岵山) to pay respect to our earlier ancestors (Generations 1 to 14) and this time the lunch banquet that followed catered for 135 tables (eight person per table). Because there were about 355 clan members from Malaysia attending, the clan committee had to limit to only two representatives from each sub-branches from within China. You said you are third generation in Malaysia. Where in Malaysia did your ancestor first settled. We have a chat group among those descended from Xiao Wei Gong (校尉公) here in Malaysia which you may wish to join. If so, provide me your contact through a personal message in this Forum. We can certainly try to help you in locating your exact ancestral line. You may wish to know the clan within Hu Shan (岵山) is collecting names to update the zupu again. I post below a chart showing how the current people of the clan from all over the world are connected with each other. This chart is outdated though. If you provide me your contact I can forward you the pdf version of the updated version which include many more in Malaysia. Philip Tan
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Post by yudhi on Jan 29, 2020 17:08:19 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I just recently learn about this forum hoping someone can help me to trace my 陈 family genealogy. I'm Indonesian chinese from Bandung, Indonesia. I read the post about 陈 generation poem in which i hope to find similar like mine, but so far i haven't had any luck yet. My grandfather generation name is 華 hua, he was originated from 梅縣 mei xian, 廣東 guang dong (i saw it from his tombstone) My grandpa has 4 sons, my father is the third with all their generation name is 緒 xu & myself is 和 he. I'm interested to know the generation poem of my ancestor with the hope that i can pass down the generation name for my children in the future. I have very little information around me and only less people that able to support for tracing the genealogy. i was only told that i'm a 16th generation from the family line (3rd generation in Indonesia, as the journey start from my grandpa came from mainland to Indonesia (1st gen)) if someone can enlight me for this. thank you in advance yudhi
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Post by chanca on Jan 30, 2020 12:09:24 GMT -5
Hi Everyone,
This is all very interesting and the most information I have been able to find online. Not being able to read Chinese, and without a Zupu, conversations with my dad and aunts have been interesting. As a first generation Chinese Canadian, I have few leads left to the linage - only that my great grandfather, surname Chan, was from the county of Sun Wui. My aunt is trying to see if she can find from which Heung/Village but it is unlikely she will turn up anything. Still in process of confirming his full name.
What I have learned is that there are generational names and was hoping to see if there is a chance to understand where in the cycle my next generation will be. Is there a place to see what the 'cycle' of generational name is anywhere for the Chan linage? I apologize in advance for simplifying the traditions and understand that it is likely a much more complex process. For the past 2 (possible 3) generations (including myself), birth names have been chosen based on personal preference.
Regards, Keith
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Post by philiptancl on Jan 30, 2020 20:13:00 GMT -5
Hi Keith, From what I understand Sunwui, or Xinhui (新会) is an urban district of Jiangmen in Guangdong and consists of 10 towns, 239 village commissions, 25 community residents' committees, and 4 agencies. Name Chinese Huicheng Subdistrict 会城街道
Daze town 大泽镇
Siqian town 司前镇 Luokeng town 罗坑镇
Shuangshui town 双水镇
Yamen town 崖门镇
Shadui town 沙堆镇
Gujing town 古井镇
Sanjiang town 三江镇
Muzhou town 睦洲镇
Da'ao town 大鳌镇
From my experience in helping others in constructing their ancestral charts of surname Chen/Chan (陈/陳) from that part of Guangdong, it is likely the generation names for each place would be different from one another. So you would need to get your great grandfather name in Chinese character (or your Chan relatives), find out the name of the ancestral place in Sun Wui, locate thr Chan clan ancestral record of the place to ascertain it is for your clan ancestry. From it you should be able to find the sequence of generation names that apply to your family.
Philip
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Post by cflursch on Mar 21, 2020 10:44:55 GMT -5
Hi Phillip Your information on this this thread is very helpful. I have a few questions. * My great grand father is Tan Tjwan Sing (died in 1957 Surabaya), as far we know he had 2 children- 1 of them is my grandfather), I noted than Tan Tjwan Sing doesn't appear on the Tan Ting Lie sheet for some reason, do you know why? * According to www.geni.com/people/Tan-Boen-Tjing/6000000009487744180, he is one of the son's, is Geni accurate? * This is the only picture (attached) of my Great Grandfather Tan Tjwan Sing, are these the ancestral tablets as described in your pedigree sheet? Thanks Christian
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Post by philiptancl on Mar 23, 2020 0:14:26 GMT -5
Hi Cflursch,
I had replied to your email you sent to me this morning.
The chart that I had constructed was for Tan Ting Lie pedigree line. That is, from him upwards through each of his direct ancestors in sequence. Also shown are the brothers of each of his direct ancestors. Therefore Tan Tjwan Sing would not appear on the chart if he is not the brother of his direct ancestors. Is Tan Tjwan Sing the brother of Tan Tjwan Soen? If he is the cousin, it would not be on the chart unless specifically requested to be included. As Tan Boen Tjing is one of the sons of Tan Tong Liep, anyone descended from Tan Boen Tjing would not appear on the pedigree chart I had drawn unless specifically requested to be included.
If you are from this Tan clan, you need to establish how Tan Tjwan Sing is connected to any one that appears on the chart and from there draw up your own pedigree chart specific to your own family. Marriages with people not of Chinese origin do not matter as long as you can know the connections.
The photo you attached would be better served if the writing on the gravestone is visible. You should try to get a clear picture of the inscriptions on the gravestone.
Philip Tan
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Post by philiptancl on Mar 23, 2020 3:49:53 GMT -5
Hi Cflursch,
Further to my email and your reply, I had drawn what would be your pedigree chart up to your great-great-great grandfather. I had forwarded it to you by email but I would not display it here without your permission. If what I interpreted is correct and with you filling in all the missing names, you now can have your pedigree chart all the way to Huang Di (born 2,697BC).
If what I constructed is correct, I am delighted that someone from US is able to trace his tree based upon what is posted in this Forum without having to go through the whole process of sourcing his zupu from the ancestral place in China.
Philip Tan
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Post by cflursch on Mar 26, 2020 11:07:34 GMT -5
Hi Philip
Thanks for completing my family's pedigree chart. I am fine if you would like to display it on this thread. Do you have any suggestions on how I could find out if those tablets for Tan Tong Liep and the ones shown in the Tan Tjwan Sing picture still exist and if they are still in Tan Poo Liang's house today? Is there any way to find out the if that is the ancestral hall (Rumah Abu) other than trying to contact Tan Poo Liang?
Best Regards
Christian
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Post by philiptancl on Mar 27, 2020 22:37:10 GMT -5
On behalf of other members of this Forum, I wish to take Christian in giving permission to share the chart I had designed and constructed for him as shown below. Chart 1 and Chart 2 for Christian is the same as for my ancestry and could be found elsewhere in this Forum. Philip
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Post by philiptancl on Mar 28, 2020 5:24:06 GMT -5
Below is an updated chart showing how some descendants of Nanshan Chen Clan (南山陳氏), descended Xiao Wei Gong (校尉公) residing in different parts of the world, are related each other. Philip
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Post by alanschin on Jul 18, 2020 1:01:17 GMT -5
Forgive me if this has been covered already or if I’m in the wrong place — is there a zuk po available for 陳 family of 江美 village, 三合 town?
Our generation poem 號 characters of recent past were 文 born around 1900-1920 and the last people to really use marriage name, then 明 born 1920-1940 and some had marriage names but most I don’t think used in everyday life, and then my generation which is either 應 or 英, pronounced “Ying” — not sure which character.
Would love to see the larger genealogy, and the full poem with notes matching generation number, actual time periods, and the characters... Thank you!
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Post by philiptancl on Jul 18, 2020 6:01:08 GMT -5
Alanschin,
For that, I suggest you go there to check if the zuk po there is available or engage someone there to go there on your behalf.
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Post by alanschin on Jul 18, 2020 8:07:54 GMT -5
Thank you for quick response! Do you have generation poems? Those would be for the whole branch of 陳 clan in our part of the county, not just our village, right ?
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Post by Henry on Jul 18, 2020 17:47:53 GMT -5
alanschin, The Chen generational poems below are from my friend Gene Chin:(Excerpt from Huang Family Chin Family Tree 潢村陳家族譜 translation by Gene Chin). [ sites.fitnyc.edu/users/gene_chin/tree/ ] His Huang village is about 2 miles as the crow flies from your Jiangmei village, so, one may apply to your Chen lineages. Chen Generational Poems 皇明萬歷四十五年歲次戊午起立班派 謨翁傳十三世始立 藉鳳毓嘉秀。 和敬發賢良。 文明應顯達。 歷世永傳揚。 英祖傳十四世始立 先德開基永。 定尊崇大典。 象賢纘緒用。 光啟佑鴻圖。 新會陳白沙提文起祖傳十三世始立 聖文萬世昌。 應朝瑞國祥。 德業光前遠。 遵法永延長。 東莞陳伯陶提文起祖傳三十三世始立 仁厚承恩澤。 書香啟俊良。 邦家常有耀。 續學自名揚。 We began using our generation poems in 1618 CE during the reign of Emperor Wanli of the Ming dynasty. The first poem was for Chen Mo starting with the thirteenth generation. The second poem was for Chen Ying (Chen Mo's third brother) starting with the fourteenth generation. The first 20 characters of the 文起 Wénqǐ branch were written by 陳獻章 Chen Xianzhang aka 陳白沙 Chen Baisha (1428-1500 CE) for Chen Mo’s fourth son Chen Wenqi starting from the 13th generation through the 32nd generation: 聖文萬世昌。應朝瑞國祥。德業光前遠。遵法永延長。Eminent classical literature will prosper for many generations / In response to an auspicious dynasty and the kindness of a nation. / The honor of moral conduct and achievement will shine into the distant future. / Obeying the law will be protracted forever. The second 20 characters were written by 陳伯陶 Chen Botao (1854-1930 CE) as a continuation of Chen Baisha’s poem for the next 20 generations until the 52nd generation: 仁厚承恩澤。書香啟俊良。邦家常有耀。續學自名揚。Benevolence and generosity will be graciously extended to the people. / A literary atmosphere will enlighten the talented and conscionable people. / The glory of one's fatherland will be dazzling. / Continuous study will develop one's fame. These generation names were not strictly followed. There were some people in the 文起 Wenqi branch who used 文 wén for the 23rd generation. This word came from the first poem, used by the 文振 Wenzhen branch. If you do not have your Chen lineage, I have several Chen genealogies for Taishan county, you can contact me directly: " Tomclan@Gmail.com ". Henry
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