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Post by kaoyien on Mar 29, 2009 19:48:33 GMT -5
thanks everyone for your help! Know i now the real name of my grandpa, and information about his origin. But unfortunately, i will not be able to go to China now, because i am in the middle of the period in college. Besides, my aunt is sick, and my family is helping her recover (she will be very happy to hear this information about my grandpa, because she misses him a lot) There is some way a can contact someone to contact the village chief, to identify possible relatives, and try to find and copy my family genealogy book without me going there? iff its possible, let me know, OK!? thanks! see ya
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Post by Henry on Mar 29, 2009 19:54:58 GMT -5
Kaoyien,
As I said previously, please contact me at: Tomclan@Gmail.com and I can arrange for my Taishan nephew to contact and if necessary - to visit your ancestral village to identify remaining village relatives and try to find and copy your family/clan genealogy book. This does not involve you having to travel to China.
Also, did you see my geographic trivia question:
Why do the people in Brazil speak Portuguese, when most everybody else speaks Spanish in South America?
Henry
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Post by kaoyien on Mar 29, 2009 20:48:06 GMT -5
I am really sorry henry!
i didn't saw that! thanks for helping me and my family, OK! I will gather the information that i received and i will contact you in your e mail.
About the trivia question, we Brazilians speak Portuguese because we were colonized by the Portuguese from 1516 to 1822. The native from other countries in South America, like Colombia, Chile and Argentina were colonized by the Spanish, so we speak different languages. However, in Brazil are different way of speaking (all in Portuguese,but with some differences), because the country have a very extensive area. Besides, the regions were influenced by different cultures ( Italians, Japanese, germans...) Brazilians are known by the cultural diversity. The majority of people are result of the miscegenation of different ethnic groups(English, Portuguese, French, chinese ...) i Hope a answered your question! thanks man! see ya
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Post by Henry on Mar 29, 2009 21:51:38 GMT -5
Kaoyien, Okay on the email. Thanks for your explanation. The geographic answer, I happen to be a geographer, is: Treaty of Tordesillas between Spain and Portugal in 1494 : where west of the meridan dividing the world between these two countries belongs to Spain and east of this meridan belongs to Portugal. See the map and you see the meridan cutting South America and what is mostly east of the meridan is Brazil - now a Portuguese speaking country. If you go to China - make sure you visit the Portuguese port of Macau. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tordesillas_treatyHenry
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Post by kaoyien on Mar 30, 2009 8:41:58 GMT -5
hello henry
That was a great geography explanation about the language difference in south America. I studied this subject in history back in high school, and i still use this kind of information in college. History and geography were always my favorite subjects. I think that it is impossible to understand the present time, and develop our way of living, if we don´t know the historical process that organized our countries. The history of Brazil is very interesting. The native way of life before the colonization, than Portugal colonization and the slavery commerce in Brazil(that is a shame for all of us until today) the Independence in 1822(and the beginning of the Brazilian monarchy) and the proclamation of the republic in 1899. Each country has its peculiarity and uniqueness. Know i am studying the history of China in College(more specific the Chinese revolution in 1949) and i think it is very interesting. Great talk!
If there is another trivia question, let me know OK!
see ya
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Post by Henry on Mar 30, 2009 11:44:34 GMT -5
Kaoyien,
At the university, I was a historical geographer.
I admire you being so young and interested in Chinese genealogy - you will have a lifetime ahead of you to enjoy it.
I suggest you try learning about the history of China all the way back to the era of Huangdi, the Yellow Emperor. The knowledge you will gain will really help you to understand Chinese genealogy so much better. I have learned so much about the history of China just doing my own family / clan genealogy.
Henry
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Post by kaoyien on Mar 31, 2009 20:00:16 GMT -5
Henry,
i just contacted you in your e mail OK?
I sent the information that i received in the forum , documents and photo.
Post on my topic if you need anything else, OK!?
Thanks!
see ya
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Post by kaoyien on Mar 31, 2009 20:22:43 GMT -5
Just another thing
Can someone translate this ideographs for me!?
I don´t know what it mean and it can help me find possible relatives
THANKS
see ya
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Post by laohuaqiao on Apr 1, 2009 6:36:09 GMT -5
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Post by kaoyien on Apr 1, 2009 21:02:37 GMT -5
laohuaqiao,
yeah, i saw the difference in the ideographs for the middle name (kao) nmy grandpa´s name.
The ideographs in both documents are very different.
The one in the envelope means kao, each is a favorite point for it. And the envelope was sent from someone in China addressed to my grandpa, so the person had to write the right name.
However, the other one is a passport page, so its official. i donn´t know each is right and each is wrong.
The ideograph in the passport means what? Kao too?
Each one is the real, in your opinion?
(my uncle´s name is right, because it is written the same way in all the documents)
Thanks man
see ya
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Post by laohuaqiao on Apr 2, 2009 6:16:21 GMT -5
kaoyien, I think the grandfather's Chinese name is the one written on the envelope. It's unlikely a relative will make a mistake and that Chinese character "Kao" itself seems more suitable for a name than the one in the passport. Given the great differences among the Chinese dialects, it wouldn't be too surprising that there could've been some communication problem between the consulate staff and your grandfather.
What is curious is why was your grandfather's passport issued by the Chinese Consulate in Paris? Was he in France at some point?
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Post by kaoyien on Apr 2, 2009 21:04:26 GMT -5
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Post by laohuaqiao on Apr 3, 2009 0:02:44 GMT -5
www.montafoto.com/users2/foto100/foto_49d56cda7887f.jpgThe certificate was issued by the Chinese Consul in Marseilles, it's a certificate of a person of good character and morals "de bonne vie et moeurs", for the purpose of traveling to and entering Brazil. It does make sense that this certificate was issued in Marseilles, being the major French seaport on the Mediterranean Sea, where your grandfather very likely have embarked on the boat to Brazil. Your grandfather was certainly a world traveller.
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Post by kaoyien on Apr 3, 2009 17:52:57 GMT -5
That´s explain a lot.
My father always speaks about the trips that my Grandfather made, and the places that he visited. That´s why we have a lot of documents of his trips.
Know that i know their names and village, i can try finding my relatives and getting a copy of my family genealogy book. Do you think it will be possible?
thanks
see ya
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Post by kaoyien on Apr 3, 2009 20:08:37 GMT -5
Henry,
I answered your email Please, send me the necessary instructions. OK! thanks
see ya
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