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Post by Henry on Apr 11, 2009 19:55:16 GMT -5
My dear friend Philip,
Thank you for your generous and very kind comments - they are most appreciated!
No, I would never allow this kind of a disappointment to deter me from helping people in the Forum. I truly enjoy Chinese genealogy research and always learning something in the process of helping others.
But, I have come to realize that I have been very fortunate to meet so many very wonderful people through this Forum that share the same interests and passions for Chinese genealogy. It has been indeed my great fortunate to meet many wonderful Malaysian Chinese over the years, but, I believe I have met more than my match in Philip Tan - a really kind and generous person who is willing to share all - with friends and even strangers. He maintains the highest standards in how people need to conduct themselves in life and with people. I hope I am always able to follow his excellent example.
Thank you Philip !
Henry
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Post by kaoyien on Apr 12, 2009 16:02:14 GMT -5
Thanks Henry, now i know the exact place of the village in the map.
And what was said is true, you do a great thing helping peoples from all over the word finding their relatives and discovering more about their cultural background and their ancestors. And more important, with responsibility and honesty. congratulations!
thanks and see ya
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Post by kaoyien on Apr 12, 2009 16:02:46 GMT -5
Helen,
Unfortunately, me and my father are not going to be able to take a trip to Landing village now (because of personal problems involving our family). You said that one family member of yours has the Zhu surname also and he is from taishan. Is he from Haiyan or lunding village or ever went there?
see ya
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Post by Henry on Apr 12, 2009 17:32:55 GMT -5
Kaoyien,
Thank you for your kind words - it is always very nice to be appreciated, however, we are most fortunate to have Forum members like laohuaqiao, tyuti1668, Helen, Philip, and others that make significant contributions and are so generous with their time and their knowledge.
I am sorry to hear that your family is experiencing personal issues - which I hope can be resolved successfully. But, for your Chinese genealogy - you now know the name and location of your ancestral village. The next step, when you are ready and able - is to identify possible relatives in your ancestral village and also to try and find and copy your family genealogy book. This book will provide you with the lineages of your Chinese ancestors.
What I suggest you do is syetmatically gather all the Chinese names of all the relatives, and ancestors - this information is very important in confirming your specific branch of the family lineage.
Henry
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Post by geoff on Apr 12, 2009 20:23:05 GMT -5
I agree with Henry's advice to " syetmatically gather all the Chinese names of all the relatives, and ancestors - this information is very important in confirming your specific branch of the family lineage".
I gave this information & copies to my cousin prior to his visit to our ancestral village. My cousin returned only with male names of gf, ggf. gggf generations. Unfortunately, it doesn't indicate who was the father of which son, nor who are brothers. It also didn't list any female names.
Make sure you ask for all the names, dob, dod & the relationship of each member of the family unit.
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Post by kaoyien on Apr 13, 2009 20:41:13 GMT -5
So far i have this information about family members in China:
My grandfafahter´s name : 朱裘炎 Chu Kao Yim
His son or daughter in law ´s name : æœ±æ–°çµ Zhu Xinjie
(was in the envelope sent from China to Brazil)
My grandfather´s brothers´s name: 朱炳元 Chu Bing Yun
Their parents name: Chu kee wah and Chu chan she
(My great grandparents)
(however i don´t have the ideograph, only the piyin, probably Cantonese)
This is what i have so far regarding their names. Any suggestions on how can i find more information are welcome, OK!?
My great grandparents had two sons (my grandfather and his brother)
My gradfather had my dad and another son in china. These Chinese uncle of mine had two sons also, because we have a picture of them that they sent to us from china (i dont know their names)
My grandfather´s brother of never had kids of his own.
Do you think that this is enough or do i need more information??
I have this names, and the location.
And my father is trying to contact an old friend of him, that is the son of a Chinese friend of my gradfather from Taishan (he came with my grandfather to Brazil in the same boat when he was younger) so he can confirm all this information
BTW: to clear something up, what is "dob, dod " (sorry, i am Brazilian and some expressions i dont recognize)
thanks
see ya
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Post by Henry on Apr 13, 2009 21:58:49 GMT -5
Kaoyien,
Good information!
When your father is able to contact the friend - see if he can provide you with the Chinese names for Chu kee wah and Chu chan she.
"dob" = date of birth and "dod" = date of death
Henry
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Post by philiptancl on Apr 13, 2009 22:54:46 GMT -5
Hi Kaoyien,
Wow! You have very much more than what many others had when they started out to search their Chinese genealogy. When I went to my ancestral village in China for the first time in August 2007, I did not even know the names, in Chinese characters, of my grandfather let alone my grandfather’s brothers. It is from my clan zupu that I found their names in Chinese characters. I was lucky because my cousin already have a set of clan zupu waiting for me to bring back to Malaysia.
At that time I knew about the existence of jiapu because I knew some very traditional overseas Chinese do send the names of their new born male offspring back to their ancestral villages for inclusion in their jiapus. I had not heard about my family following that tradition. While I was already interested then about my family tree and have recorded the family tree from my grandfather downwards (all in English) I never expect anything in term of my ancestral lineages to come out from that visit. It was more a sentimental side visit following an organized tour to Fujian; sentimental in the sense of trying to connect with tales I heard, when growing up, from my older relatives regarding my ancestral home and the adventures they and others had there. My wife and I had visited China countless of times before then but never to our respective ancestral villages.
Had I not been presented with my clan zupu, I would not have venture any further on Chinese genealogy and certainly would not have stumble onto this Forum. As such and unlike you, I did not have the benefit of the invaluable advices that are being generously dispensed out in this Forum; otherwise I would have extended my stay there to find out more. However I planning to bring my son there during his next long vacation to visit some of those places referred to in my clan zupu and for him to meet up with relatives of his age group to provide some continuity in contacts.
For you Kaoyien, you are so far away from China and it is not that convenient to go there as often as I do. If you are to go there for the purpose of locating your ancestry and your zupu and/or jiapu in mind, I strongly suggest you better lay out the ground works before hand to make your trip in the most productive manner. If not, it could either be very frustrating or even disappointing in term of genealogy. I have tried many times asking people visiting relatives and friends there in Guangdong to try getting Chen zupus for me. I have yet to meet with any success.
Philip
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Post by helen on Apr 14, 2009 3:32:19 GMT -5
True True Phillip - I have spent the best part of 5 years talking to people and family - putting the jigsaw puzzle together. That's the fun part. Now I have this end sorted, and managed to locate new family in Guangchou, I feel I am ready for my venture in May. I have an album of old photos - ie photos of interviewee photos to take with me. The best ones are from black and white photo negatives from 1948, from the period when my Mum and Dad married in Guangchou. The people in the photos may either be my Mother's side (But her siblings don't recognise any one) so I have to take a punt that they are my Father's side.
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Post by Henry on Apr 14, 2009 13:27:43 GMT -5
Helen,
I suggest that you keep some family information/photos confidential - so you can really validate that some of the "relatives" you will meet in the ancestral villages are in fact your "real" relatives, as only they would know some of this confidential information.
Henry
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Post by Ah Gin on Apr 14, 2009 16:45:52 GMT -5
Helen et al,
Again Henry shares with us his wise counsel, re having sufficient information kept away in public domain to verify those who come forward to claim to be your blood relatives -- especially if you are from overseas, obviously a very wealthy person who can and will help another blood relative, who shares your surname, knows your father since 18whatever, and that person supported your blood relatives when they were poor etc. (I just made it up, to make a point).
When I first met my relatives in the Gold Mountain, one of the first questions asked by my new found relative was, "Was it my intention to stay in the US and therefore would relay on their help". I detected a sigh of relief when they heard my answer. And doubly relieved to hear that I am a very poor person from the New Gold Mountain, who enjoys travel and visits cemetries, public records office, digging up bones. But they did asked me all questions to ensure I was who I was. Was I the real McCoy? I took no offence, but had a private chuckle. I saw their point. No doubt, Henry would have a story or two of similar nature.
Regards, Ah Gin
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Post by kaoyien on Apr 15, 2009 16:56:49 GMT -5
Hi! My father and i looked for that friend from Tai shan. Unfortunately, he came back to China 3 years ago. But we talker to his ex- neighbors, and they gave us the name of a Chinese man that still have contact with the friend. We went to talk to him (his name is Lao, he owns a traditional Chinese restaurant here) and he gave us the friends´s current address in China. This is what he wrote: Can anybody translate that for me!?? It is in Tai shan , Guangdong? Thanks see ya
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Post by tyuti1668 on Apr 15, 2009 18:02:49 GMT -5
Current address in China post db: 广东省江门市新会区 崖门镇田南管理区南昌村南昌里 529152 | #1 in MAP
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Post by kaoyien on Apr 16, 2009 7:59:24 GMT -5
Thanks tyuti for your help!
now i know the place of the ideographs in the map
But what do they mean in piyin?
this place is not in haiyan, but it is in Tai shan right!?
Can someone tranlate the ideograhs to piyin for me ?
thanks
see ya
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Post by Henry on Apr 16, 2009 8:19:24 GMT -5
Kaoyien, Cut and paste the Chinese characters: 广东省江门市新会区 崖门镇田南管理区南昌村南昌里 into the Google language translator: www.google.com/language_tools?hl=enand you will get: Jiangmen City, Guangdong Province, Yamen Town, Xinhui District Management Areas Minami Nanchang in Nanchang village Here is a bi-lingual map - look for "Xinhui", approximately in the center of the map and you will see where this village is located near. If you double click the word "MAP" in tuti1668's reply - it is a link to the actual village location on a Chinese map website. "Taishan" is both a county and a city name. "Taishan City" is also known as "Taicheng". mysite.verizon.net/vzepzaui/Southern Guangdong 2003.jpg[/img] Henry
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